Saving schedules

[kihara]

I've been experimenting as you suggested. To put you in the picture,this is an experimental track consisting of a straight stretch of single track. At either end there is a loop so a train can go round and back where it has come from. There are no signals, but the points need to change each time the loco completes a loop (hence the Trigger commands).
If I remove the Trigger commands, the loco starts OK (under AI), but when it has nearly completed the second loop it changes its mind and starts reversing. So it finds its way back to its starting point.
I don't know why the Triggers are messing things up; they should be usable when required; I have a feeling there's something very basic I haven't cottoned onto yet.
As to the order in which commands appear, since all non-child rules are initiated simultaneously, why does it matter what order they are in?
Any comments,as always, are welcome.
John.

 

[jnjkerbin]

Aaah. Sorry misunderstood you. I thought you meant Wait for Trigger Commands in the drivers schedule. The reason it goes back the other way is probably because it is looking for the quickest way, in this case reversing.
If you have a schedule like this with the track plan below

Navigate to A
Navigate to B
Navigate to C
Navigate to B
(repeat)

then it may not work.
It may be worth adding a few more trackmarks on the loops and adding these to the drivers schedule to make it work.
E.G.

Navigate to J
Navigate to K
Navigate to A
Navigate to B
Navigate to C
Navigate to D
Navigate to E
Navigate to F
Navigate to G
Navigate to H
Navigate to I
Navigate to D

(repeat)
Also it may be worth adding Track direction markers on the loops if possible.

Joe

 

[kihara]

Following your advice I've added more 'Drive to Trakmarks' and removed the Wait for Trigger commands but it still behaves unpredictably. I feel I'm losing control of it all, not to mention my sanity! I had already incorporated Direction trackmarks which had no perceptible effect.
I have 2 specific questions which you may be able to answer:
1. If I want the train to trigger a change in a junction setting, where in a sequence of 'Drive to Trackmark' commands should the 'Wait for Trigger' command go - immediately before the trigger, or after it?
2. How can you delete a command in Driver Schedule Library or Driver Schedule Rule without deleting the whole lot?
Oh, and when the triggers were still there I reduced their radii of action quite severely in case there was a sort of 'remote control' effect.

John.

 

[jnjkerbin]

1. If I want the train to trigger a change in a junction setting, where in a sequence of 'Drive to Trackmark' commands should the 'Wait for Trigger' command go - immediately before the trigger, or after it?

Wait for trigger commands will have no effect on switching junctions. To switch junctions:
1)In Surveyor open Edit Session Rules.
2) Click Add
3)Find the Trigger Check Rule
4)Click the tick.
5) Select the rule and click edit.
6) Click Add Trigger
7)Select one of the triggers and click the tick.
8) Ensure Trigger only once is not selected.
9) Click the tick to return to the main Edit Session Rules window.
10 Click Add again.
11)Select Set Junctions.
12)Select the rule and click edit.
13) Click add junction.
14) Select the junction you want it to trigger and click tick.
15) Click on Don't Change next to the name of the junction and select the direction that you want the junction to change to.
16) Click Tick.
17 Select the rule in the Edit session rules window and ensure that it is below the Trigger check rule. If not you can change it by using the up/down arrow buttons in the window.
18) Then indent it, using the right arrow button.
19) Repeat as many times as you need.

2. How can you delete a command in Driver Schedule Library or Driver Schedule Rule without deleting the whole lot?

Simply click and drag the relevant command out of the window.
Joe

 

[kihara]

Wait for trigger commands will have no effect on switching junctions.
Thanks for your latest advice; but where are trigger commands useful, and perhaps more important, useless? I've set up a schedule using the trigger check rule but so far haven't got the train beyond the first trackmark; but I'm working on it.
It seems to me that having inserted a set of commands into the Driver Schedule Library they could then be transferred either to Driver Setup or Driver Schedule Rule; where are they supposed to finish up?
As for dragging commands out of the window to eliminate them, that works in Driver Setup for me, but not elsewhere.
As a general comment, I wonder if I,m expecting too much from AI? From these forum posts it appears lots of more experienced trainzers than I suffer from its inexplicable effects. Perhaps I should just try out ideas and if they don't work shrug my shoulders and move on!
Now, as they say, for something completely different. (Perhaps this should be on a new thread).
A while ago I stupidly deleted a route. I still have it saved in Driver (Saved Sessions) but I understand it can't be transferred into Surveyor for further development. However I have the whole Trainz folder setup backed up. Unfortunately when restored the route still doesn't show up in the Surveyor list of routes. Maybe it wasn't there when I made the backup, but I can't investigate this because I can't make head or tail of the Trainz folder system. Do you know where routes are stored?
As I said, perhaps you feel yuo've done your bit with my problems, and I should start a new thread?
Many thanks again. John.

 

[jnjkerbin]

It seems to me that having inserted a set of commands into the Driver Schedule Library they could then be transferred either to Driver Setup or Driver Schedule Rule; where are they supposed to finish up?
As for dragging commands out of the window to eliminate them, that works in Driver Setup for me, but not elsewhere.
As a general comment, I wonder if I,m expecting too much from AI? From these forum posts it appears lots of more experienced trainzers than I suffer from its inexplicable effects. Perhaps I should just try out ideas and if they don't work shrug my shoulders and move on!

They should end up in the Driver Setup area by giving the driver the command Copy Command from (presuming you've followed fran1's instruction in post #4.

As a general comment, I wonder if I,m expecting too much from AI? From these forum posts it appears lots of more experienced trainzers than I suffer from its inexplicable effects. Perhaps I should just try out ideas and if they don't work shrug my shoulders and move on!

You're certainly right there. Maybe Trainz 12 will have AIs that work better as well as a lovely metal box!.

Now, as they say, for something completely different. (Perhaps this should be on a new thread).
A while ago I stupidly deleted a route. I still have it saved in Driver (Saved Sessions) but I understand it can't be transferred into Surveyor for further development. However I have the whole Trainz folder setup backed up. Unfortunately when restored the route still doesn't show up in the Surveyor list of routes. Maybe it wasn't there when I made the backup, but I can't investigate this because I can't make head or tail of the Trainz folder system. Do you know where routes are stored?
As I said, perhaps you feel yuo've done your bit with my problems, and I should start a new thread?

It think that would probably be best as I certainly lack knowledge in that area.
Joe