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Dear Community,

I would like to know if I still need permission to release a reskin of a train car from someone who has left the trainz community.

The creator in question is Magicland. I have tried contacting several times but with no reply. I would like to release a Southern Pacific reskin of his observation car.

Thanks,
Matt
 
Yes you still need permission. Only if some public statement was made by a creator or maybe if they died would there be an exception.
 
Why do you need permission for something that's freeware? If anyone can download it for free on the DLS, why get permission, as long as you acknowledge the original creator. That's something that's always bothered me, people being all uptight about getting permission for stuff that everyone already has, or has open access to.

Just my thoughts and questions.

-Joe
 
So if any of us notices your wallet laying out, we can take it so long as we acknowledge it was yours?
 
acbdfaqoz said:
Why do you need permission for something that's freeware? If anyone can download it for free on the DLS, why get permission, as long as you acknowledge the original creator. That's something that's always bothered me, people being all uptight about getting permission for stuff that everyone already has, or has open access to.

Just my thoughts and questions.

-Joe
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Hi Joe ...

It's a fair question to ask, because there are moments when people don't quite understand this whole copyright and Fair use issue!!

The content is not free, in the term use of the word --- Yes, it's free for you to download it and use it in your layout, as it is, but it's not free to reskin (modified) someone's else work without permission. It's not right because you are stealing someone's else idea... creation... that they put their time behind. To change that idea to fit your own (generally speaking), without the original creators blessing is totally wrong, and disrespectful!

All I ask is that you put yourself in the creator's shoes ... Let's say that you've created the most beautiful locomotive, which you could have easily charge people for, but you instead chose to release it to the DLS. for free use -- Does that give m the right to download your content, change it to my liking and release it, even though you made it, regardless if I mention you or not?

Unless the creator have already given permission for their items to be reskin or modified, prior to, then it's fine to reskin, knowledge where it came from, and release to the general public!

Ish
 
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LGBMATT said:
Dear Community,

I would like to know if I still need permission to release a reskin of a train car from someone who has left the trainz community.

The creator in question is Magicland. I have tried contacting several times but with no reply. I would like to release a Southern Pacific reskin of his observation car.

Thanks,
Matt
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Hi Matt,

i would guess that you have read Magicland's license agreement ... whatever it say you must abide by!

Have you tried registering at his forum, and asking there?

Ish
 
I guess what I don't get is if everyone has such a problem with reskinning and such, why release anything. By releasing that fantastic loco, you know that anyone can reskin it, and in my opinion by releasing it you are fully aware that anyone can take it and use it to their desire. Not to mention, if I reskin someone's loco and release it without their permission, it's not copy written in the first place so what are they going to do? Nothing. It's a different story with payware though.

Now I'm not arguing that it's right or wrong, I'm just playing devils advocate here.

@StorkNest
If you're writing a paper for your college thesis, it's perfectly appropriate for you to use someone else's work in your paper, without their permission, so long as you site it. To me it's the same thing. I'd be using someone else's work to create something new while acknowledging the original creator, with or with out their permission. It's freeware, or as it used to be called, shareware.

Again, not to offend anyone, just tryin to see everyone's opinion here.

-Joe
 
I guess to add to that, if I create a fantastic loco lets say, I hope that anyone who likes it skins it to their rail road, even if they don't ask me. Because that's why I would create this great loco in the first place. For everyone to enjoy in their own way. And if it so happens that someone releases it without my consent, it doesn't matter because people are enjoying the product in the end.

There's only so long that anyone can keep control over that. If magic land left, he's not going to know that anyone released his work without his consent. If LGBMATT want's to release this work, I see no problem with it as long as he's says in the description, originally created by Magicland.

-Joe
 
Joe
There have been many discussions about this topic in the past and just to let you know, all original work is copyrighted. It doesn't need to be registered to be copyrighted. Patents and trademarks are a different story. You may not mind someone reskinning something that you create and releasing it without permission, but many of us creators do have a problem with it.
Mike
 
Many thanks for all of your replies. For now I will keep this as a personal reskin until I receive permission.

@ish6: No I have not asked at his forum. It never donned on me til now. I'm going to try that.

Matt
 
acbdfaqoz said:
Not to mention, if I reskin someone's loco and release it without their permission, it's not copy written in the first place so what are they going to do? Nothing.

-Joe
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Oh Joe ... no,no,no.... it doesn't work like that.:wave:

Let's say, (will use you as example -- no harm intended, of course) ... you reskin / modified one of my buildings, etc and you upload -- I can then report you to Auran ... they can ban you from the DLS and the forum, and perhaps conceal your registration statues so you can't log onto the DLS via cmp+-- your trainz product will then become useless...

Also, let's say you host that same item on your site, then I can complaint to your ISP provider ... If I can show proof that the content belongs to me then they will shut down your site, without noticed.

See, copyright is not just filling out an application and send it to the library of congress ... it also applies when you click to agreed to Auran's terms and agreements ... by clicking it, is like, you are signing your signature ... actually, it's all the same -- you are bending yourself to an agreement!!

I know, I do it too -- I never read the terms and agreements of any software, but like they said, this topic has been discuss already, and that was presented on this topic -- a while back though...

Hopefully this clears thing up!!

Ish
 
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Joe,

It really doesn't matter how you interpret the law, it only matters how the judge interprets the law.
 
Very good points everyone. Thank you for the information. I had no idea that items were copy written upon creation. Good to know. I guess that's why everyone is so knit picky about asking permission for content releases.

Thanks for clearing up the train wreck in my head. I will be more cautious with my assumptions in the future.

-Joe
 
acbdfaqoz said:
Very good points everyone. Thank you for the information. I had no idea that items were copy written upon creation. Good to know. I guess that's why everyone is so knit picky about asking permission for content releases.

Thanks for clearing up the train wreck in my head. I will be more cautious with my assumptions in the future.

-Joe
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You're welcome Joe!!

I say, it's always a good practice to ask such questions, etc ... we all learn everyday about something, anything.... :wave:

Ish
 
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That's okay Joe,
Every now and then, we have to clarify the issue for some. It's amazing how many people really don't understand the copyright issue. It's even more amazing how many of them don't care.

Mike
 
Try checking the config file. There is quite often information about what you can and can't do in there. (I know at least one of his objects, which came with TS2010, allows reskinning as long as credit is given and the reskins are only distributed through the DLS. That might be different from object to object though.)

Personally, if I were to release anything, I would put that info (and likely info on any needed non-DLS assets) in the config file as well as a readme.txt file.

Also, there he has a "SP Daylight Parlor/Observation" car on the DLS. kuid:58843:106
 
Magicland did create some great stuff like the NYC Subway Models. There has been a braking issue with the locomotives however. This braking issue has not been fixed by him yet. When you modify the content, You will not be able to redistribute it without the law getting on you.
 
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