Railworks 3 First Look at Rain Video

[NikkiA]

Maybe some of us just don't care. This is not to say Auran/N3V shouldn't improve what is obviously a major sticking point for some, but I'd take accurate signalling and usable AI over pretty switches and rain in a second.

There's also the fact that it's simply not true, animated switches were added in trainz 2006, and there are dozens of options to fullfill them on the DLS for almost every region modelled. In fact, most of the routes in trainz 12 use them pretty much everywhere.

Sure, they're not as easy as just laying down track and letting it auto-join, but they're not as hard as AJS system used to be either. Most of the newer ones show up properly in the minimap, and switch with the keyboard shortcuts too.

But of course it's easier for route builders to be lazy one day, and moan about the lack of prototypical switches the next.

 

[dricketts]

Actually I have all automatic updates turned off including Windows

I can't agree more! I do too. I hate Windows auto updates. They take up valuable resources and hard drive space on your machine. Let me decide when I want to install an update.

I'm running Vista with all Windows security turned off. I have a wireless router which serves just fine for my firewall. There is no antivirus software running in the background on my machine. The only virus software I use is Ad-Aware and Spybot and it is configured to only run when I tell it to. In my opinion most "anti-virus" software causes more hassle than it does good. Paranoyia will kill the performance of your computer.

Just don't run any .exe files from an untrusted source and you'll be fine. In other words us common sense.

 

[RRSignal]

I can't agree more! I do too. I hate Windows auto updates. They take up valuable resources and hard drive space on your machine. Let me decide when I want to install an update.

I'm running Vista with all Windows security turned off. I have a wireless router which serves just fine for my firewall. There is no antivirus software running in the background on my machine. The only virus software I use is Ad-Aware and Spybot and it is configured to only run when I tell it to. In my opinion most "anti-virus" software causes more hassle than it does good. Paranoyia will kill the performance of your computer.

Just don't run any .exe files from an untrusted source and you'll be fine. In other words us common sense.

You know, as a security consultant, I'm supposed to recommend patching, firewalls, etc. The reality is, most patches are worthless, since the browser or web-facing apps (Flash, Java, Quicktime, etc.) are the entry of nearly all malware. Apart from the malware that's install by good ol' social engineering, which still constitutes the bulk of things. AV and AS software is iffy; if you practice safe hex, don't go to pr0n or questionable file-download sites, or use any kind of file-sharing or USENET, you pretty much don't need it. Ah, well, I've said my piece, back to providing gadgets and software to replace common sense...

 

[sniper297]

"Anyway, it's a Railway Simulator not a Weather Simulator"

Hold the phone a minute, maybe that's the problem - the first T is a mistake, it's supposed to be a RAIN SIMULATOR! :hehe:

"But of course it's easier for route builders to be lazy one day, and moan about the lack of prototypical switches the next."

How many routes have you done with hundreds of switches? I tried it, if you get your method down to 10 minutes per switch and have a thousand switches on the route, you'll still be working on the route when N3V finally breaks down and adds autogenerated points, frogs, and guiderails to the splined switches. Which at the rate they're going will be February 2137.

"back to providing gadgets and software to replace common sense..."

Good one, me like!

 

[nugget2225]

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why would you post railworks in trainz, forums i just dont get that, this whole thread should be removed

 

[Beattie]

why would you post railworks in trainz, forums i just dont get that, this whole thread should be removed

Hopefully to show how railworks once again fails and should give up like microsoft did .

 

[JCitron]

I can't agree more! I do too. I hate Windows auto updates. They take up valuable resources and hard drive space on your machine. Let me decide when I want to install an update.

I'm running Vista with all Windows security turned off. I have a wireless router which serves just fine for my firewall. There is no antivirus software running in the background on my machine. The only virus software I use is Ad-Aware and Spybot and it is configured to only run when I tell it to. In my opinion most "anti-virus" software causes more hassle than it does good. Paranoyia will kill the performance of your computer.

Just don't run any .exe files from an untrusted source and you'll be fine. In other words us common sense.

I'm no Microsoft fanboy either. I have my system down to 36 processes right now, but that's because I've got VM software installed that likes to put something else in there to seek out and disable.

My biggest peeve with Microsoft is the constant phoning home. I don't want to run an extra service that loads down my system with additional processing that takes away memory from applications. This is MS's authentication service, which checks the "genuineness" of Windows while the machine is running. I paid a lot of money for Windows, in fact for many versions for that matter. So this check should be done at start-up if they want to, then the service should delete it's image from memory.

Right now this off, it periodically it pops up a message, which I dismiss, turn on the service, let it find home, then disable it.

If you're interested in how memory is handled in Windows, check out this interesting talk given by Mark Russinovich from Sysinternals.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/TechEd/NorthAmerica/2011/WCL405

It's a bit in depth.

Personally I really hate that Windows is one of the most maintenance intense operating systems I've ever dealt with. It's like owning an old Opal or Bugatti that needs constant tweaking to keep it in operation.


Now back on topic. :hehe: The raindrops are cute, and lovely but I'd like to see the real underpinnings fixed like AI switching, etc. Again, we're being treated with eye candy instead of the engine. It's like that antique Bugatti that looks so nice on the outside.

John

 

[wholbr]

Hi Everybody

why would you post railworks in trainz, forums i just dont get that, this whole thread should be removed

Yes I agree, particularly as some of the Trainz more fervent fanboys seem to be taking a battering on this thread judging from their rather lame postings.

close it, is the typical reaction of some on this forum whenever a thread argument is not going their way.

Bill
back to doing risk assessments and safe working practices to replace common sense:hehe:
Yes I like that one

 

[Euphod]

http://http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showpost.php?p=118057&postcount=1

Nothing wrong with posting about other's software here, as it relates to trains, at least. I think maybe rain is a bigger deal to those of you in the UK, since it plays such a large part in your daily lives. Rain is just a necessary nuisance here.:hehe:

 

[wholbr]

Hi Ed and Everybody

http://http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showpost.php?p=118057&postcount=1

Nothing wrong with posting about other's software here, as it relates to trains, at least. I think maybe rain is a bigger deal to those of you in the UK, since it plays such a large part in your daily lives. Rain is just a necessary nuisance here.:hehe:

Ha,Ha,Ha, great one there Ed as it's just started raining here in Somerset as I was reading your posting.

I hope it does not rain tomorrow and we are supposed to be attending a wedding. In the case of the groom it is the fourth time around. I think he must like wedding cake and would you believe this one is going to be in a church. So much for the vows.

Oh dear, I think I can feel a severe bout of the flu coming on

Bill
apologies for the edit but my wife has just informed me it is his third time around. The other one he did not marry

 

[Euphod]

In the case of the groom it is the fourth time around.

One and done for me, I try not to repeat mistakes! I would attend, were I you, but only if there is an "open bar".
Beats watching the rain come down...

 

[wholbr]

I have been married to the same girl for 44 years and I am always telling her that the reason I have been with her for so long is the simple fact that I cannot stand weddings.

It's still raining very hard here in Somerset perhaps with a little luck the wedding venue will get flooded.

Bill:hehe:

 

[osq7]

On a different topic, rain effects like these do make an huge improvement. The small details really make a simulator seem much more realistic. NV3 could learn a lesson or two from the Railworks team, methinks.

However, let's not get bogged down in the Trainz versus Railworks argument. We could argue for decades on that. And bear in mind, this is a TRAINZ forum, so the last thing this should become is a topic only saying Trainz is a load of rubbish that we should all hate and then bin and instead fish out all our money to buy Railworks and its addon packs.

 

[wholbr]

On a different topic, rain effects like these do make an huge improvement. The small details really make a simulator seem much more realistic. NV3 could learn a lesson or two from the Railworks team, methinks.

However, let's not get bogged down in the Trainz versus Railworks argument. We could argue for decades on that. And bear in mind, this is a TRAINZ forum, so the last thing this should become is a topic only saying Trainz is a load of rubbish that we should all hate and then bin and instead fish out all our money to buy Railworks and its addon packs.

I could not agree more osq7. As I have stated several times in this thread each simulator has its strengths and weaknesses and it is for the user to find which suits them best.

Each to his own
Bill

 

[okanaganrailfan]

Not impressed. Maybe its because I play a lot of games, but big whoop, rain thats removed with windshield wipers. This isn't new. Railworks needs countless improvements before I even consider puting time into the sim again. I could list countless things they're adding this time around, and reasons why I'm not impressed, but its just not worth it. I will say however that these "improvements" they're making, are standard in any other game today. So again, big whoop.

Also, why the hell do they feel its necessary to release a "new" sim every so often? Just release updates for the original product (its free to owners of the game anyway) and focus more on improving the sim. Look at any other game that gets a sequel. Its not just a few improvements, its a completely new game with countless improvements and changes. Even Trainz is bad in this regard. Stop releasing new versions of the game with barely anything changed and take sometime and really work on improving and advancing forward.

Also, personally I love Steam, and the company that runs it. Every game they make is awesome, and I own most of them. Feel free to add me on there as well. http://steamcommunity.com/id/Iron_Horse

 

[osq7]

Also, why the hell do they feel its necessary to release a "new" sim every so often? Just release updates for the original product (its free to owners of the game anyway) and focus more on improving the sim. Look at any other game that gets a sequel. Its not just a few improvements, its a completely new game with countless improvements and changes. Even Trainz is bad in this regard. Stop releasing new versions of the game with barely anything changed and take sometime and really work on improving and advancing forward.

We're dealing with companies here. They have one goal: to make the most money possible, and they think that by putting as many products out as possible they can make more money. However, I wholeheartedly agree with what you say. It's the approach that games companies should take - not making flash adverts, but making great games, because they are what sells. Why? Because they are the type of games that people want.

 

[okanaganrailfan]

We're dealing with companies here. They have one goal: to make the most money possible, and they think that by putting as many products out as possible they can make more money. However, I wholeheartedly agree with what you say. It's the approach that games companies should take - not making flash adverts, but making great games, because they are what sells. Why? Because they are the type of games that people want.

Too true. But again, actually taking the time to work on something that will blow the community away would in the end, make them more money. I'm sure theres plently of people here (or rather I know theres plenty of people here) that haven't upgraded to a newer version of Trainz because its just not worth it. Why spend another $50 when for a few improvements when you already have a sim that works?

This practice can be seen in other genre's though. Some good examples are the Need for Speed series and Call of Duty series. CoD titles are pumped out like theres no tomorrow (and like Trainz, don't come with very many improvements) and NFS is on its third title to be released this year. Yes, all three titles are unique in their own ways (and different studios are working on each title for EA), but its still ridiculous.

 

[airtime]

Hi Everyone.

If you want to speak about switches then one of the major failures of Trainz I find is the very unrealistic looking switches which have remained the same since the first Trainz version was released.

Bill

I totally agree with you Bill, the switches in Railworks do look great and so much better than Trainz switches, (except for the Ocemy switches which do look good), but as a whole, the Trainz switches do need a overhaul, as the blending of the rails and sleepers looks awful.

I am a fan of Trainz for the easy to use surveyor, and I like Railworks for the way it can handle large routes, without it crashing at the first sight of a large junction in the distance.

Joe Airtime

 

[rastis]

G'day! :wave:

I'd just like to point out this is the TRAINZ forum. Not the Railworks forum.
We don't really wanna see other simulators rather than Trainz (or any by Auran) on this forum. Just stating a fact. I can see something's going to happen. Someone's gonna say something bad about Trainz or Railworks and then there is going to a massive sh*tstorm and yadda yakka yack blah de blah blah... So try keeping your opinions fair.

Cheers!

Jake.

 

[paulhobbs]

We don't really wanna see other simulators rather than Trainz (or any by Auran) on this forum. Just stating a fact.

And you were appointed community spokesman by whom? I personally like to see discussion on other simulators here and I suspect others do as well.

By the way, you do know your processor is rubbish don't you?

Paul