jregner1955
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The Omaha, Nebraska and Council Bluffs, Iowa Metropolitan area
Railroad capitals of the U.S.
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generalman
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Fostoria no longer has passenger traffic, which is one of the criterion set forth in the OP.
Boston is disqualified - the freight yard has been closed for years (Beacon Park Yard).
Wow, you just made my day!
jacksonbarno
Alco Spoken Here
They will also have commuter traffic soon. They have two freight railroads running through town, and they have two museums and a restored station to round it out.
judahGrice
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Altoona---defiantly!
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jacksonbarno
Alco Spoken Here
Boston is still served freight-wise by Pan Am, and Norfolk Southern has plans to neter the freight market there. The MBTA has two major terminals, and there is a TON of railroad history around the area.
The OP criteria was "See a great deal of freight traffic," not "saw." You would be hard pressed to trainspot freight in Boston now.
jacksonbarno
Alco Spoken Here
Pan Am still runs freights into and through the greater Boston area. Not ran, not will run, is running. Also, NS is planning to work with Pan Am to run freights into Boston in the near future, so not only does it see freight traffic, but it will start to see even more soon.
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Would you characterize this Boston freight traffic as "See a great deal of freight traffic" commensurate with a RR capitol as set forth in the OP?
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What is your problem? I've yet to see anything constructive from you in this thread, all you've been doing is going around doing your usual pedantic "adjudication", fortuitously disqualifying others' posts. Blutorse laid out some criteria, sure, but it wasn't said all must be fulfilled. Hell, since the opening post already had Boston in it, would you like to disqualify this entire thread then?
I would like to disqualify this post as it does not indicate any cities that are railroad capitals of the US. Jackson's post was at least interesting.
A follow-up question to an interesting post cannot be completely disinteresting. Jackson has current knowledge of the Pan Am / NS traffic on the north side of Boston, so I was asking him to find out if it is enough to qualify as "great deal of freight traffic" as was set forth in the OP. Since the termination of CSX operations between Framingham and Boston in their Boston Subdivision, and the closure of Beacon Park Yard, for about 2 years, Jackson's post made me open to the idea that Boston freight is in a state of flux rather than dropped of to near nothing, so my post was to gather knowledge from him.
I think you mean to ask what is my intent. When I saw misinformation cited, I gave facts that pertained to one town and one city for not meeting the criterion. This is a natural result of the rapid decline or reallocation of US rail traffic, a rapidity which may not allow all thread participants to keep abreast of current events.
My citations are factual. If you believe they are fortuitous and judicious, please go look up Amtrak and Fostoria and look up the CSX Boston Subdivision.
Keeping with facts is always constructive.
You are correct, it wasn't stated. However, if 3 criteria were mentioned in series without an "and" or "or," as in the OP, the default interpretation is with an "and," so yes all three would need to be satisfied to meet the OP.
LOL - If the interpretation were 1 or 2 or 3, we would be citing an unwieldy multitude of municipalities.
Hell, since the opening post already had Boston in it, would you like to disqualify this entire thread then?
The thing I would like to disqualify is that attack, it has no provocation.
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SETXRailfan
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I am heavily surprised that no one has listed Houston... It is on the UP sunset route, and many trains originate and terminate here. We have the massive Port of Houston, and the 106 track wide Englewood yard, and that does not count the intermodal yard, which is about a mile North. On the BNSF, we have PEarland, for intermodal, and Galveston for all the rest. Only bad thing is that, well, many good train spots are in bad areas.
SETXR
SETXR
Like Jackson I too live on the "north side" of Boston. The volume of traffic to the Boston area has increased, however, the eastern-most hump yard in the US is no longer in existence. The old Boston & Maine hump, located in Cambridge and Somerville (well mostly in Somerville), is no longer. This has become, to the larger extent, condos and industrial parks set next to the existing BET and commuter tracks with a couple of freight yard tracks, which do hold some freight cars. I actually witnessed that a few months ago on my trip into North Station! For the most part, any freight that does come in, is run to a small siding in Stoneham near Montvale first, and actually originates in Lawrence as SA-1 or SA-2. Yes, the Salem switcher does the Boston work now. They may have more recently discontinued SA-1/SA-2 in favor of LA-1 and LA-2, but I'm not sure. Perhaps with NS teaming up more and more with PAR, we may see an increase in business, however, I doubt any yard would be rebuilt. Heck there are too many NIMBYs in this area now to prevent that from happening. They're even squawking about the new T service to Medford.
I agree this does qualify for inclusion into the list since I to read this as an AND OR and not a NAND or NOR, or XOR combination.
Regarding the attacks... This seems to be the way of the forums lately by a certain few people who deem it necessary to make things rotten for everyone else.
John
I agree wholeheartedly John. The attacks have to stop. They're driving us well behaved members off, or worse, they're turning the well behaved members into people that attack and are fed up with how things are.
If it's been said before, I skipped over it: Los Angeles. City of angels, and, Rail. Rich history, major yards, ports, stations, and heavy passenger usage. Probably the most usable train network West of Chicago. And the views on the Surfliner and Starlight are magnificent. I wish I could've been around and in the US to travel to San Diego by streamliner, and to San Jose and Fransisco bay on the Daylight.
Jamie
This is easily the most ironic post ever on this forum.