Please Vote Yes Or No

[shaneturner12]

My vote is NO. But they all deserve it, or some sort of recognition, being public or private. After all, Trainz would not be what it is without their collaboration and work. Therefore, my no is not a strong one: Interesting is that N3V has not posted anything on this subject...

I've noticed that one myself regarding N3V, although it could be that it's the weekend and they may respond first thing Monday morning.

Shane

 

[pware]

Interesting is that N3V has not posted anything on this subject...

That is probably because the first post in this thread appeared at 10:30pm Friday night (AEDT or N3V Time Zone time) and your post appeared at 5:19pm Sunday (same time zone).

It is often easy to forget that this is a world wide forum covering all time zones and the International Date Line.

 

[steve123]

All the people mentioned in the first post are people who do what they do out of the kindness of there heart and nothing more, the reward to them is helping you, i would say at the least these people should be able to have a donate button with every post they make if not free software as stated first up.

If these people didn't buy the Trainz software, product, asset in the first place then they may be in the dark as to how to fix it { AND WHERE WOULD TRAINZ BE THEN }

If these guys shut shop for a week or two who would held you ? N3V i don't think so they don't have time, your on your own champ.

With all that has happend with Tane if these people where not there we would have a fine mess wouldn't we. fine mess indeed.

For some reason or another when somebody buys a Trainz game they just seem to be expected to know how to fix whatever is wrong, if not then the people are expected to help them for nothing
otherwise N3V would have people in place to do the work and yes it is work that these people are doing to keep everthing ship shape and full steam ahead.

If any person for some reason has a problem with these people receiving some kind of reward for there years of free service then in my book it comes under greed, me me me me me, it seems to be all about yourself and not others.

Yes there are people who make many assets for our hobby and they also have the option of making it payware, If the people giving out free advice and help were to charge for that advice then how often would you ask them for advise or help???

Im sorry but i can't see the names of all those other people who have helped you all over the years like these people have,
yes there are a few other name that should be on the list.

Who do you trust to give advice on Software, Hardware, problems with Trainz, i trust all the people mentioned in the first post. and yet they seek no reward for all that they have done.
steve123

 

[Enzo1]

Enzo1, some strong metaphors in your post - "crawl back under whatever rock", "the community needs a smack in the face" (I expect that the latter one was figurative only) - but I get your point. Perhaps too many of us have forgotten that Trainz (incl TANE) is a hobby. Some of us have taken it to be a "life and death" issue with the resulting flame wars. I do not believe that the moderators have been lax - they have given people a fair go and have stepped in when needed. Unfortunately, we have seen many more posters being far too aggressive lately, far more than normal.

All of my contributions to Trainz have been to the DLS and to these forums free of charge. I do not object to those who want to earn something for their efforts - but that is full of potential problems (issues of tax, ongoing support, etc) that I do not want and was the subject of another thread. My reward is knowing that I have helped others and contributed to the community. Perhaps we should leave it at that for all contributors.

Hi Pware. I'm glad that you see my side. I do not dislike anybody in this thread, and really there are only a couple people I dislike at all in this entire community.
The latter is figuratively. I feel quite strongly about this, as I have great hopes that the community can move forward with their lives, and personally would much I'm sure like the rest of us, see it done without much moderation at all.
However, as you mentioned, the community has become far more aggressive, and I think there are reasons for this, and I understand them quite well. However, for the community and TANE as a whole to move forward, the community needs to unite, and fess up that they made a big mistake. That's the goal number 1. From there, things can get much, much better, and I think the TANE experience will become much, much better. As I see it, I see nothing but great potential in both this community and TANE, yet all resources are being wasted! In fact, not even half of the resources have been tapped. However, just because I see great potential in TANE, does not mean that I am a believer of it yet, but with work, I think it is very very much possible that it could be a competitor against the likes of Run 8 and TS2016.

I'm sure you seen at the end, the reference towards pride. This community has become too prideful, and forgot where it was once at, and furthermore forgot where it even started. Forgetting where you came from is a bad thing to do. Some very important people have been left out, and they are no longer a part of the community. This doesn't mean we can't turn it around and possibly get them back on board as well.

 

[ex-railwayman]

Please vote yes or no for Shane Tuner and andi06, JCitron, clam1952, PEVto recieved Free software from N3V.
Shane Turner you have given to everybody you time your knowledge and your consideration and if people are smart enough to understand you have past on your wisdom as well,
i myself and many people in the Trainz community value all support that you have given to us.
Never have i heard you say a bad word about anybody and i hold you in the highest regards.
In consideration of all the work you all have done i would like to put forward a motion to N3V that you Shane Turner andi06, JCitron, clam1952, PEV have FREE access to all Trainz Software / Payware that is sold on N3V websites and have access to free high speed downloads.
Looking at all the work you have given FREE to Auran/N3V.
Regards steve123

WHY single these folks out for special attention, I can think of 500 people around the world who've been giving away their free services for over 10 bloody years, or, more, don't we receive anything either, you cannot possibly single certain folks out, that's the most ludicrous and absurb idea ever, grow up, stop treating us all like school children, for god's sake.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.

 

[captainkman]

Free software? Sorry, I can't say that I'm in favour of that.

I would, however, be in favour of a "Trainz Guru" badge or similar being given out to the most helpful members of the community, as voted by Forum members.

Kieran.

 

[Vern]

This is such a subjective issue, IMHO the original suggestion is unworkable.

There are so many people over the years who have created content or been "helpful" (also a matter of subjectivity) on the forums, you cannot single individuals out. As noted we do this as a hobby - in which case a post or download count plus the occasional favourable comment should be reward enough. Or you're doing it as paid work, in which case the bank balance is its own reward.

The only comparable scheme I can think of was at UKTS with the MSTS "community" CD's, for every so many sold you got a certain amount of free premium membership, though that seems to have lapsed (I haven't had any for years) and pretty much superceded by most suff now going out as a download.

Perhaps N3V should bring back the old Auran ranked train icons for forum posting but even that risks the possibility of needless "woffle" to inflate you post count. Perhaps a "thanks" function could be added for those who have helped(similar to over at Trainsim.dev) but only in the positive function to avoid abuse.

 

[amigacooke]

Back in the day Auran used to give free copies of the software they had tested to beta testers. Don't remember any great outcry then. Perhaps we were more like children back then, not so ready to jump on any perceived infraction of our rights.

 

[clam1952]

Guys thank you for the comments but please can you respect the wishes of those of us named who do not want any special recognition or rewards or badges. I have no wish to be singled out for special favours from N3V or anyone else and would refuse anything offered anyway. If it wasn't clear in my last post I'm voting No. Much of what I know I learned from other helpful Trainzers past and present.

 

[amigacooke]

Guys thank you for the comments but please can you respect the wishes of those of us named who do not want any special recognition or rewards or badges. I have no wish to be singled out for special favours from N3V or anyone else and would refuse anything offered anyway. If it wasn't clear in my last post I'm voting No. Much of what I know I learned from other helpful Trainzers past and present.

Malc,

Surely it's a moot point anyway. N3V have shown no indication of supporting this or any other suggestion of rewarding those who give their time for free.

 

[captainkman]

N3V have shown no indication of supporting this or any other suggestion of rewarding those who give their time for free.

Well, it is the weekend and they won't be in office again until 8:30am or so tomorrow morning - which is about 10 and a half hours away from the time of posting.

Kieran.

 

[wholbr]

Hi everybody.

Malc,

Surely it's a moot point anyway. N3V have shown no indication of supporting this or any other suggestion of rewarding those who give their time for free.

amigacooke has made a very valid point in his above posting. Undoubtedly N3V are having problems enough at present without taking on yet more commitments such as sorting out who would be entitled to free software and who is not.

There is also the point of the amount of time each individual/hobbyist has in their lives to be creative or helpful. A Trainzer working full time and long hours is obviously going to have far less time to be "helpful" to others than someone retired or not working for other reasons no matter how much the working individual may wish to contribute more.

So, I am sorry but from a person working 50-55 hours most weeks and wishing I could spend more in our hobby, I have to vote a "VERY BIG NO" to this idea.

Bill

 

[nexusdj]

Here's a simple idea , all those who have said yes club together with your "OWN" money , Use that money to purchase the DLC and ask N3V to gift it as a thank you .

 

[boc61]

I'm pretty much ambivalent on this subject, but if N3V did want to give some sort of tangible reward to ANYONE here, I think it should be done privately, without public announcement.

The people called out here have been helpful and an asset to the community, but so have so many others. I dare say they do it because they want to do it, enjoy doing it (most times) and are just the type of people who are helpful by nature. They do it to make the hobby they enjoy better for themselves and everyone else. The best way to thank them for their efforts is to take what they have given with gratitude and carry their helpful spirit forward.

 

[amigacooke]

Here's a simple idea , all those who have said yes club together with your "OWN" money , Use that money to purchase the DLC and ask N3V to gift it as a thank you .

Wouldn't it be from the group rather than N3V then?

 

[jadebullet]

No, because that is pretty stupid. Also some of the DLC that N3V sells is not created by N3v, but instead by third party creators.

 

[nexusdj]

Wouldn't it be from the group rather than N3V then?

Given the current state of play with TANE and the fact that a fair few staff where laid off a few weeks ago its fairly obvious that financially things are a little tight , because if they weren't they'd have kept the staff on and we'd all now be probably using a fixed version of TANE (the cause of much anger on here) . I would rather see whatever money is available to N3V being ploughed into getting TANE usable for the masses than being squandered on other non important things .

The original poster put this forward as way to reward those he mentioned for there services to the community but at cost to N3V , My suggestion above allows that to happen but at cost to those supporting this idea instead of N3V . This way it will be seen as a gift from the community and will generate a lot less bad blood on here than if N3V where seen to be showering gifts on a few favourites .

 

[bobhahn]

N3V have shown no indication of supporting this or any other suggestion of rewarding those who give their time for free.

They're no better than Donald Trump. Since we were passing out other people's money anyway, I suggested to Trump that he give each of his volunteers a million dollars. He didn't even fire me. He said nothing.

It's getting really hard to give other people's money away.

 

[amigacooke]

This way it will be seen as a gift from the community and will generate a lot less bad blood on here than if N3V where seen to be showering gifts on a few favourites.

Wouldn't be a gift from the 'community' either as some of the the 'community' clearly don't want to cough up. But either way, it ain't going to happen and I suppose we're just keeping ourselves busy waiting for hotfixes, patches, etc.

 

[sardo]

Yes!! For sure.