This is kind of embarrassing, not sure how I got on the list. Thanks for the thought but I don't do any of what little I do for any reward or expect any. In the extremely unlikely event of any software FCT's or whatever being handed out it would be better given to someone who maybe can't afford it.
Please Vote Yes Or No
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shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
Thankyou for your comment there Nick. That's roughly what I was thinking myself (and I didn't actually ask the OP to create this thread either although it's a very nice thought from the OP with all respect).
I've even said elsewhere that I'm happy to provide help without recompense.
Shane
Go to the Content Manager and sort by CL and you will see some 2000+ reasons why you deserve to be on the list. Your trees and bushes are better than 90% of what exists for TANE coming in second behind UltraScenery in my opinion. They are more important than ever now with the screw-up of trees thanks to N3V and the lack of any other decent UK type trees currently available. And as the new tree makers like to produce green neon bulbs from a mile away like N3V's effort, I cant see that changing any time soon. No one claim its the games fault either when UltraScenery doesn't encounter that problem. And then look at your other scenery, stone buildings, walls, fences, hedges, locos & rollingstock, etc, I have over 450 of your assets in my CM, all top quality assets to start with and my layout would be nothing without your assets. And I haven't mentioned the support and involvement you give on the forum board.
So, if you get nothing else, accept a thank you from me anyway as a small token of my appreciation for the help you have given me, and for sharing your assets for us all to benefit from.
There, now your head is really to big to fit through the door
, but credit where credit is due.Have a great weekend.
Cheers.
mezzoprezzo
Content appreciator
No:n:
I applaud the work done by those listed by the OP, however there are many, many, more who's work and contribution are of equal value.:clap:
I applaud the work done by those listed by the OP, however there are many, many, more who's work and contribution are of equal value.:clap:
Nothing wrong with rewarding those who go the extra mile, I would not of said no like you did Mezzo to me that's an insult with the thumbs down crap but sum like Shane/Clam/Andio6/Jctron/PEV do deserve a little bit extra so yeah i'm all for the YES give em what they deserve. But as Andi has already mentioned if they were to be given sum-thing for free from this crowd it wouldn't work without 10 updates and 50 patches so they may not enjoy it anyway.
Mick.
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ccowan2126
Member
Yes, I agree with you.
Vote for no.
1st question, who pays for these games. I'm sure you all 'yes' folks would say that N3V would just give them it. But something like that needs to be pre-arranged with N3V and I'm fairly doubtful N3V would do something like that. Very few gaming companies actually give out free copies of their games; DLC, yes; unique mods, yes.
2nd question, who decides who gets a free game and by what standard is that chosen by. There are plenty of dedicated people in the community beyond the very short list the OP stated that could be argued they should get a free game.
3rd a reason, Doing something like this will undoubtably introduce more fighting, arguing, etc into this already very volatile community; it's not something we need.
If N3V wanted to reward the most helpful members; I would support a simple forum badge, similar to our TANE K* badges. But nothing more then that.
peter
1st question, who pays for these games. I'm sure you all 'yes' folks would say that N3V would just give them it. But something like that needs to be pre-arranged with N3V and I'm fairly doubtful N3V would do something like that. Very few gaming companies actually give out free copies of their games; DLC, yes; unique mods, yes.
2nd question, who decides who gets a free game and by what standard is that chosen by. There are plenty of dedicated people in the community beyond the very short list the OP stated that could be argued they should get a free game.
3rd a reason, Doing something like this will undoubtably introduce more fighting, arguing, etc into this already very volatile community; it's not something we need.
If N3V wanted to reward the most helpful members; I would support a simple forum badge, similar to our TANE K* badges. But nothing more then that.
peter
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I agree regarding this - it took me by surprise when this thread cropped up, although I feel that others have also contributed a lot as well and support the idea of a suitable forum badge for the most helpful members (no offence intended to anyone else).
Shane
Debate time!
I disagree with all of the statements regarding fighting.
Here's why:
The community needs to learn a lesson. Those people that believe they are entitled to having software need to go crawl back under whatever rock they're entitled to. These people that have been mentioned are different. They do so many things for the community and do this just for free. While I agree, I've done a thing here and there to help, this doesn't qualify me for free software. Here's why I don't qualify for free software: I didn't really make somebody's gaming experience 100% better almost every time I helped somebody. The people mentioned almost always make the gaming experience 100% better because they are extremely knowledgeable. They share there knowledge with us for free, that's more than some entitled moron will ever do with his free software that he thinks he deserves because he told some newbie how to get into surveyor. These people don't even ask for anything in return other than a simple thank you. If there knowledge was used in the making of TANE, we might actually have a program that works. Perhaps N3V could lessen their insults to these fellows by thanking for the work they do to THEIR product for FREE.
Furthermore, the community needs a smack in the face and a lesson taught to get us on the right track. That's what the community used to be. A playground where trainzers could help each other and new up-and-coming trainzers. They could share what they did in their trainz game with other people and it was all a fun experience. Nobody always felt something had to be released just because somebody made it. Gimmie pigs weren't out of control. Well now it's time for the moderators to step up and show us that's what you want to see too, not just some fancy user title that entitles you to power I myself would not possess. It's time for N3V to step up and show us that they want the trainz community to be the Trainz community that it was when Auran was in charge.
These two forces above me, and the people mentioned are the issue in this situation, not the lame excuse of it will cause fighting. Are they willing to bite their pride and do it? We'll see.
Who are the ones really entitled here?
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misterchugg
Active member
hi mates
yes
yes
Why would other users (not named in original post) bother to offer help to others for free when those at the top will be (or have been) paid for doing the same thing ?
I know I would think twice about throwing my hat into a thread where help is requested and my knowledge is suitable .
We all play our part in some way , shape or form on this forum and lets not forget that just because an established user isn't seen doing much on here they may well be doing a lot more on other forums .
It's the same Trainz universe as on here that they are assisting with , will those users be getting the same rewards ??
At the moment on here we are all equal , we are all the same , nobody gets paid , some choose to offer lots of help , others choose to offer less , some just browse but we all do it for free and on equal terms , that is our choice .
If you change that equation then this forum will only get worse not better !
I know I would think twice about throwing my hat into a thread where help is requested and my knowledge is suitable .
We all play our part in some way , shape or form on this forum and lets not forget that just because an established user isn't seen doing much on here they may well be doing a lot more on other forums .
It's the same Trainz universe as on here that they are assisting with , will those users be getting the same rewards ??
At the moment on here we are all equal , we are all the same , nobody gets paid , some choose to offer lots of help , others choose to offer less , some just browse but we all do it for free and on equal terms , that is our choice .
If you change that equation then this forum will only get worse not better !
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An interesting debate with some good points on both sides.
I initially voted yes (with some preconditions) but now I am not so certain.
Unfortunately, we would have the problem of where do you "draw the line" between contributions that meet the criteria (as yet unidentified) as those that "fall short", no matter how worthy. This would, I have no doubt, lead to further issues.
Enzo1, some strong metaphors in your post - "crawl back under whatever rock", "the community needs a smack in the face" (I expect that the latter one was figurative only) - but I get your point. Perhaps too many of us have forgotten that Trainz (incl TANE) is a hobby. Some of us have taken it to be a "life and death" issue with the resulting flame wars. I do not believe that the moderators have been lax - they have given people a fair go and have stepped in when needed. Unfortunately, we have seen many more posters being far too aggressive lately, far more than normal.
All of my contributions to Trainz have been to the DLS and to these forums free of charge. I do not object to those who want to earn something for their efforts - but that is full of potential problems (issues of tax, ongoing support, etc) that I do not want and was the subject of another thread. My reward is knowing that I have helped others and contributed to the community. Perhaps we should leave it at that for all contributors.
I initially voted yes (with some preconditions) but now I am not so certain.
Unfortunately, we would have the problem of where do you "draw the line" between contributions that meet the criteria (as yet unidentified) as those that "fall short", no matter how worthy. This would, I have no doubt, lead to further issues.
Enzo1, some strong metaphors in your post - "crawl back under whatever rock", "the community needs a smack in the face" (I expect that the latter one was figurative only) - but I get your point. Perhaps too many of us have forgotten that Trainz (incl TANE) is a hobby. Some of us have taken it to be a "life and death" issue with the resulting flame wars. I do not believe that the moderators have been lax - they have given people a fair go and have stepped in when needed. Unfortunately, we have seen many more posters being far too aggressive lately, far more than normal.
All of my contributions to Trainz have been to the DLS and to these forums free of charge. I do not object to those who want to earn something for their efforts - but that is full of potential problems (issues of tax, ongoing support, etc) that I do not want and was the subject of another thread. My reward is knowing that I have helped others and contributed to the community. Perhaps we should leave it at that for all contributors.
My vote is NO. But they all deserve it, or some sort of recognition, being public or private. After all, Trainz would not be what it is without their collaboration and work. Therefore, my no is not a strong one: Interesting is that N3V has not posted anything on this subject...