NS Penn Central heritage unit 1073
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deadpoolmx55
LETS GO PENS!
GREAT NOW NS is going to go bankrupt
cascaderailroad
New member
Pretty sharp looking loco ... PC aka: "Mating Worms"... I wonder if all the Heritage locos will be brought together this year at a convention or railfest ?
How many of these Heritage locos are in Trainz now, for download ?
I am unsure if Altoona is even having Railfest this year, EBT RR is no longer running service this year, the Horseshoe webcam is not funtioning, Alto tower is decommisioned and pending probable demolishion/doubtful relocation sometime soon, someone with bolt cutters broke into it and stole equipment (probably for scrap), the 2 old signal bridges near 17th St were cut down and torched for scrap.
How many of these Heritage locos are in Trainz now, for download ?
I am unsure if Altoona is even having Railfest this year, EBT RR is no longer running service this year, the Horseshoe webcam is not funtioning, Alto tower is decommisioned and pending probable demolishion/doubtful relocation sometime soon, someone with bolt cutters broke into it and stole equipment (probably for scrap), the 2 old signal bridges near 17th St were cut down and torched for scrap.
deadpoolmx55
LETS GO PENS!
i think they will all be together in NC during the 4th of july for a family photo opp
ThomasFan101
Member
One of my favorite predecessor railroads 
. The PC (aka 'Mating Worms') used to run through my hometown. I still wish that rail line did, It was Ex-Pennsy at one point, Although the last portion was abandoned in the 90's.. It still has signs it was there today. Anyways all-in-all, It was a great railroad with a short time around...
. The PC (aka 'Mating Worms') used to run through my hometown. I still wish that rail line did, It was Ex-Pennsy at one point, Although the last portion was abandoned in the 90's.. It still has signs it was there today. Anyways all-in-all, It was a great railroad with a short time around...
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qassaquyangli
The Flying Cloud
It's so simple and GREAT! I've always liked PC (I don't know why)
deadpoolmx55
LETS GO PENS!
I never looked to much into penn central, and what caused it to go bankrupt, but how can two of the leading railroads let things get this bad when they merged?
anyways this video made me laugh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aspM5zizfC0
anyways this video made me laugh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aspM5zizfC0
I don't think it was so much as they let things get bad when they merged, as much as things had gotten bad and they really didn't do anything right to recover from it. Things won't get any better on its own. You have to have money to fix things, they didn't, and things just kept getting worse. I certainly can't defend them, because if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. After the Penn Central fiasco, Conrail didn't do much better for quite a while before things got profitable at the end.
Shouldn't take Justin but about 5 minutes to make it for release!!!:hehe:
I actually think all black is a pain to get looking right, it tends to make the body look featureless. However, it would be easier to reskin, since there aren't so many colors to work with. Almost "black scale", and easy to convert to "gray scale".
jadebullet
might be back?
Essentially, the PC merger had the New Haven tacked onto it which taxed the newly merged railroad's finances. The second nail in the coffin was two members of the upper echelon that came from the Pennsy. They didn't like the NYC guy who was above them so they went around him and royally messed things up financially. Once things were going down hill, the PC management tried to get money from the US government. To do this, they decided to make their railroad look really bad by reducing maintenance. When it became apparent that this wasn't going to work, it was already too late. (and the solution was Conrail to save PC) The straw that broke the camel's back and caused the initial bankruptcy was the blizzard of 72. The PC had a large load of potatos from the Bangor and Aroostook sitting in Sunnyside yard. The blizzard hit, and PC wasn't able to keep the car heaters fueled and the potatos were ruined. Rather than pay the farmers for the ruined potato crop(which they couldn't afford) PC declared bankruptcy.
Penn Central was merged into and the cause of Conrail, and it dragged every other railroad in the area down with it.
I agree.
The PC fell apart because the management fought instead of working together to run a railroad. By the time they figured out what had to be done and stopped the competition from within, it was too late. Conrail initially was nothing more than a government bail out of the Penn Central as in another "too big to fail" schmooze by business to get government money.
When the New Haven was included into the PC initially in 1968, this spelled doom for the connecting roads. Almost immediately, a suspicious fire took out the western connection - the famous Poukipsee Bridge which is now a walking trail. The same management that brought the PC down, continued their barrage against their longtime competition such as the Lehigh Valley, Reading, Erie Lackawanna, and all the other fallen flags. Their missing north eastern link, via the New Haven, forced them to reroute traffic via Selkirk over PC lines instead of the shorter New Haven to New York City. The shorter trip, although on PC property didn't pay as much as the NYC longer run down the Hudson. For these other companies, this meant longer haul charges, and hurt the companies more who were strapped for cash. These companies probably could have weathered through the recession if none of this happened. If you look at which companies got trimmed the most, you'll notice the EL, CNJ, and Lehigh Valley. These were competing lines, not so much redundant lines which in some ways had faster service to Chicago than even the old Pennsy or NYC. The old Erie route through Ohio and Indiana is a lot flatter and wider and more direct to Chicago than the NYC Water level route. Instead they cut up the Erie and kept the NYC. Sadly a wide flat route, that would have suited the heavy container traffic we have today, has to go up and around Cleveland up to the lake shore instead of directly across mid-Ohio. So including the Erie Lackawanna and everyone else was an after thought rather than a plan. I'm gad the PC didn't get the B&M too.
John
deadpoolmx55
LETS GO PENS!
I see! Man I wish the old Erie line would of became a main line and not cut up, that is the railroad thy ran right threw my home town meadville! I would be nice to see it back in its hayday, all I know is my grandpa absolutely hates the PC (worked for Erie his whole life) and now I can see why.
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
we did an experiment on Monday. It took me 17 minutes or so to complete this skin but i kept going back and changing the lettering because i didn't like it.
LOL, the problem is that you are trying to match THAT SPECIFIC UNIT. Because if you look at the older pictures, I don't think ANY Penn Central units have quite the same lettering as any other, the logos are all different sizes (and colors sometimes) and in different places (if they are even there at all).
For any Penn Central units besides the Heritage Unit, prototypical is simple:
1) Paint it black. (Unless it is rolling stock. Paint it green. Jade would be nice, but any old shade of green will do.)
2) Put "Penn Central" on it. Any size you'd like. Anywhere you want. Or maybe just PC. Or maybe leave the name off.
3) Put a mating worms logo on it. Or not.
Easy!!!:hehe:
It might just be the photo (the grass and sky look a bit de-saturated), but i don't think the loco on the first page of this thread IS black - it looks almost gunmetal grey to me. Not knocking it, in fact unlike Ed I love the thing, there's something about the utter simplicity of it that really suits the blunt functional design of those big SDs.....
Andy
Andy
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