NEWBIE! Some information needed please

Heatseeker19

New member
Greetings, and Happy New Year from Canada.
I am a newbie to this site, and stumbling through here reminds me of my drinking days, stumbling around not knowing wtf is going on lol. For that reason, I hope you all will be patient with me.
OK, here goes.. I have been messing around with microsoft train simulator (am I allowed to say that here) for a while, and have pretty much given up on it. I discovered this site and would simply like to know, what you folks would recommend in terms of trainz sim. for dummies. I looked at ts2010 and it looks very interesting. Anyone have any issues with it? Is it something a dummy like me could learn to use?
Just some initial thoughts would be nice.
thanks again.
 
Greetings, and Happy New Year from Canada.
I am a newbie to this site, and stumbling through here reminds me of my drinking days, stumbling around not knowing wtf is going on lol. For that reason, I hope you all will be patient with me.
OK, here goes.. I have been messing around with microsoft train simulator (am I allowed to say that here) for a while, and have pretty much given up on it. I discovered this site and would simply like to know, what you folks would recommend in terms of trainz sim. for dummies. I looked at ts2010 and it looks very interesting. Anyone have any issues with it? Is it something a dummy like me could learn to use?
Just some initial thoughts would be nice.
thanks again.

Well Heatseeker, you've stumbled into a whole new world. :) Welcome to the Trainz forums!

TS2010, like any product, has its quirks and oddities, but for the most part it is very usable and very addicting! I've been using Trainz since I abandoned MSTS back in late 2004, and I haven't gone back. Not even once to take a look at what I missed.

TS2010 is the latest version of a long line of Trainz versions that started way back in 2000 - about the same time as MSTS. The initial release is a far cry different than what we have today. Back in 2000, no one ever thought of interactive industries, nearly 170,000 items (assets) available for use in the simulator etc.

The program is open ended, meaning it's a means to create your own world without limitations on time. The only limitations are your imagination and what your computer can physically handle. With this program (we don't call it a game here), you can be as realistic as you want, going as far as to importing DEM files and maps to work with using some third-party tools.

There are three modules that make up the basic program: Driver, Surveyor, and RailYard. Driver is used to drive the sessions you've created, loaded from the built-in list, or downloaded from the FTP server known as the Download Station (DLS).

Surveyor is where you can modify an existing route, or create your own. You can even merge in other people's layouts and create a megaroute if you want. You also place your consists here. The session editor, which is another aspect of Surveyor, allows you to setup the AI drivers to follow particular instructions, and setup your industries if you have interactive industries to except or create goods.

Railyard lets you view your trains you have installed. This is probably the weakest of the modules, and in fact I hardly use it except to look for broken downloads.

Your content is managed by the Content Manager. This is a separate utility affectionally referred to as CM3.3, or CMP for the older versions. With CM you download the new content, open up assets (downloaded object) for modification, including reskinning, and sometimes repair if the objects have errors.

Now, having said all this, the program will not run on most laptops. You need a decent CPU, plenty of RAM, a decent video card, and lots of disk space. In general, a fairly up-to-date computer with an AMD or Intel i5 or i7 processor, a newer model NVidia video card, and 4 gigs of RAM, running Windows 7 64-bit will work fine.

I hope this answers your question regarding the most addicting rail simulator out there.

John
 
Hi heatseeker19,

John has summed up the game very well. I have 2009 and love it. Some users complain about 2010 because of speedtreez but not being a user I cant comment on that aspect of the game.

As far as the forum goes you are more than welcome to mention MS Train Simulator but it would be better for you to avoid such things as wtf because there are young users here.

Welcome to the forum :wave:

Andy
 
Now, having said all this, the program will not run on most laptops. You need a decent CPU, plenty of RAM, a decent video card, and lots of disk space. In general, a fairly up-to-date computer with an AMD or Intel i5 or i7 processor, a newer model NVidia video card, and 4 gigs of RAM, running Windows 7 64-bit will work fine.

I hope this answers your question regarding the most addicting rail simulator out there.

John

John describes TS2010 very well, including the somewhat worthless Railyard.:hehe:
But I think his suggested computer specs are too restrictive. I have an inexpensive ATI video card (4560, 50 bucks) and I run Windows XP 32-bit, and I'm quite happy with my TS2010 performance.

And the Speedtrees are a matter of personal preference. Given the choice between them, and the original cruciform cardboard cutouts, I'd go for the Speedtrees any time. Just use the good ones, avoid the triffid monsters, and set the wind control as low as it will go.

Go for it! You won't regret it.:D

Mick Berg.
 
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Another welcome aboard Trainz. :)

JCitron summed it up pretty well but I would like to highlight the fact that Trainz is more of a world simulator. You will find that many people go to great lengths to recreate that totality of a railroad and not just the driver's experience. And with the power and flexibility of Surveyor and the vast number of assets available, both built-in and freely downloadable from the DLS, that is very much doable. Not that it is easy but it's not impossible.

As in all things, walk before running. Start with simple routes, learn how Surveyor works and pretty soon you'll be building your own worlds. And if making your own objects is attractive, that is a whole other aspect of Trainz that is very addictive. Same advice, start small and work your way up. :cool:

Don't worry if you get stuck along the way. There are plenty of helpful people here. Ask politely, never demand, be clear in describing what you tried, what happened and what you hoped would happen. :)
 
John describes TS2010 very well, including the somewhat worthless Railyard.:hehe:
But I think his suggested computer specs are too restrictive. I have an inexpensive ATI video card (4560, 50 bucks) and I run Windows XP 32-bit, and I'm quite happy with my TS2010 performance.

And the Speedtrees are a matter of personal preference. Given the choice between them, and the original cruciform cardboard cutouts, I'd go for the Speedtrees any time. Just use the good ones, avoid the triffid monsters, and set the wind control as low as it will go.

Go for it! You won't regret it.:D

Mick Berg.

Hi Mick,

I wasn't trying to be too restrictive. ;) It's just so many people post here about trying to run the programs with such low-end machines, and then complain about not being able to run the program like it's our fault.

How many machines have you seen at Walmart for $500 including the monitor? This is what I'm afraid of.

John
 
NEWBIE

Well firstly, THANK YOU ALL for responding. I am very happy to have found this place. I suspect it will be home for me for a while if thats ok with you all.
Using the latest version sounds facinating. (even if I can't spell it right lol) and look forward to giving it a try. Those interactive industries are really sounding good. I am a retired/disabled firefighter waiting for a double lung transplant, and therefore as you might expect I tend to spend lots of time on the computer. AND, I know NOTHING about railroading! But, I have always been interested in trains and the wonderful world of railroads. What better way to have a hobby! I tried the model railroading thing, but that got old real fast and took up too much space. This is simply awesome.
I do indeed look forward to keeping in touch with you, and learning more. Thanks again everyone!
Brian
 
Also, another good aspect of Trainz is that you can build your own realistic routes, and you can make your own 'freelance' routes that can be in any scale, HO scale to full size.
 
As a newbie myself and only into Trainz for a few weeks I will say that Trainz is definitely a simulator. Like any other computer simulator, they can be very tedious but lots of fun for those of us who like such things. I suppose it is possible to just install the game and have some fun playing with the few routes that are installed with the game but the real meat of the game is in creating your own layout from scratch. To do this you have to use some fairly typical "world-builder" tools that are very similar to many map building programs for various games out there. The terrain setup is almost identical to when I used to make custom maps for Battlefield 1942 back in the early 2000's. If making terrain and laying your own rails seems intimidating, you may not get the most out of Trainz. Another point I have to make is the different versions of Trainz have a lot of content but not all of it is compatible with all versions of Trainz. Just about everything has a fix for it and so far I've found those fixes from searching this forum but I have to admit that it's a lot more of a pain in the butt than I first expected. At the same time I enjoy a challenge and the whole thing is very addictive and I must confess that part of the fun is taking all these random items and working around the problems to get them to function correctly. I find that I enjoy building my route as much as I do running trains on it, if not more. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from buying Trainz, but for someone who is not very computer savvy, this program could be a nightmare. Also, if you decide to pick up Trainz 2010, I would avoid any digital download version as it cannot yet be patched like the disc based versions.
 
Also, if you decide to pick up Trainz 2010, I would avoid any digital download version as it cannot yet be patched like the disc based versions.

Not quite correct, digital downloads direct from Auran have no patching problems when the patching process is allowed to complete.

Peter
 
Digital Downloads

YIKES! Here I was thinking that buying it and downloading it directly would be a good thing. I hate waiting for stuff, and therefore I thought the download would be the ideal solution. Now I read maybe not! Anyone else out there have issues with downloading?
OR would i be better off to just order it and let it run its course through snail mail etc etc
thanks for the tip
 
DUMB QUESTION # 2

Sorry, I lost my trainz of thought for a second and should have asked.. when you say "PATCHING" is that meaning fixing the glitches with patches that get sent out from time to time? Sorry but not exactly a puter whiz either lol
 
The digital download from Auran for trainz 2010 comes patched up to what they call SP3. There is one more patch that brings it up to the current buld number displayed on the launcher screen. These patches are files from Auran that fix bugs within the program. This is a very large and complex program so not everything worked properly the first time it was offered for sale. I have had no problem downloading the digital download from Auran and i use no download helper and I have IE8.
 
Patches and Trainz for Dummies

I can't seem to find the patches I need for my TS2010 Build #42203. I keep getting a message that says "Trainz build is out of date." but doesn't tell me what download I need to update it.

Also, is there a Trainz for Dummies book? The manuel for this program is frustrating in what it doesn't tell you. I have my own train layout in the basement and am somewhat computer savey, but this program is the least user friendly I've ever used. I'd love some help, or just a glossery of terms.:confused:
 
Newbie and dummy

I just found the patches I need, but this Newbie still needs lots of help in understanding this program.:o
 
Not quite correct, digital downloads direct from Auran have no patching problems when the patching process is allowed to complete.

Peter


I stand corrected. I was not aware that Auran had it's own digital version. I was only thinking of the typical Steam/GamersGate/etc downloads that are the 43361 build that can't currently be patched.
 
I would suggest you buying 2010 in a box and not a DDL. Safer to have a hard copy...just in case. The patches are not hard or a problem to DL. Some take a few min. to an hour or so. A good end pc is a must. No cheap stuff. I run my 2010 on a laptop,but you need to spend a $1,000.00 or more. Same with a desktop. Enjoy 2010
Alco_P-A
www.bigboytrainsandhobbies.com
 
Well firstly, THANK YOU ALL for responding. I am very happy to have found this place. I suspect it will be home for me for a while if thats ok with you all.
Using the latest version sounds facinating. (even if I can't spell it right lol) and look forward to giving it a try. Those interactive industries are really sounding good. I am a retired/disabled firefighter waiting for a double lung transplant, and therefore as you might expect I tend to spend lots of time on the computer. AND, I know NOTHING about railroading! But, I have always been interested in trains and the wonderful world of railroads. What better way to have a hobby! I tried the model railroading thing, but that got old real fast and took up too much space. This is simply awesome.
I do indeed look forward to keeping in touch with you, and learning more. Thanks again everyone!
Brian

Well Brian I look at Trainz as the mother of all model trainsets I wanted as a child and my wife wont let me have now :D

As others have stated it can be as simple as you want it to be or as down right complex, it is all up to you. I use a program you'll find mentioned here called TranzDem and if you want to do REALLY accurate routes it is the bomb.

Speedtreez like someone else mentioned is cool but sometimes seeing them move is a little freaky but if given the chance I use em just because it adds realism.

jointedrail.com has some really great locomotives at very reasonable prices considering the work that goes into them.

I have used Rail Simulator and MSTS and Trainz and by far Trainz is the best.

As for computer specs I use a Dell Studio XPS with an i7 2.67 ghz 8 gb or ram windows 7 64 bit and an ATI 4850 and have no problems whatsoever running Trainz 2010 EE...
 
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