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Milw 261
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$225,000. It actually makes sense that "Friends of the 261" (or "Railroading Heritage of Midwest America") bought the engine, as that price adds up to what the group was offering the National Railroad Museum in the long run (15 years x $15,000 a year = $225,000) Everyone got what they needed, quite simply
whoa! that is a lot of money for a steam locomotive.$225,000. It actually makes sense that "Friends of the 261" (or "Railroading Heritage of Midwest America") bought the engine, as that price adds up to what the group was offering the National Railroad Museum in the long run (15 years x $15,000 a year = $225,000) Everyone got what they needed, quite simply
PereMarquette1225fan
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whoa! that is a lot of money for a steam locomotive.
Yes, yes it is. Or as my dad would put it, "That's a lot of cheeseburgers." Oh great, now I'm hungry.
simulatortrain
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that is a lot of money for a milw 4-8-4 northern steam locomotive.
Yes, you said that already. Not really when you consider what they bought. You can't buy a new one for anywhere near that price.
transitguard
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Not really. $225,000 for an operational steam locomotive is pretty cheap. Yea it needs an overhaul, but that explains the drop in price
About 1944 an FEF cost about $150,000. Adjust for inflation, and your actually over $225,000
according to an online inflation calculator I used, that $150,000 would be $1,809,794.93 (using 2009 statistics). Might be irrelevant, but thought you guys might find it interesting.
was there a number of steam locomotives that doublehead with 261 in the midwest?
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Furthurmore... I just don't understand this question. Clarification is a must if you want an answer
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Furthurmore... I just don't understand this question. Clarification is a must if you want an answer
did CPR 2816 doubleheaded with 261?
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according to an online inflation calculator I used, that $150,000 would be $1,809,794.93 (using 2009 statistics). Might be irrelevant, but thought you guys might find it interesting.
Not knowing the total weight, I'd bet that the locomotive was bought at the value of the metal. IE: bought at scrap value.
wait what do you mean scrap value?Not knowing the total weight, I'd bet that the locomotive was bought at the value of the metal. IE: bought at scrap value.
What the Locomotive would go for if sold for scrap.wait what do you mean scrap value?
Scrap Steel bounces between $80 - $100 a ton... I believe.
No. 261 being a 4-8-4 developed enough of it's own power to run by itself. It only had a diesel "Helper" in certain situations if 261 were to have a mechanical failure.did CPR 2816 doubleheaded with 261?
Yes. There have been many photo shoots of 261, in its many years of excursion service, as well as many well documented videos.
No. Strausburg does NOT need 261. Great Western #90 is certainly enough power to handle the 10 car trains they have. The Major differences between the two as follows:
Milwaukee Road 261:
Class 4-8-4 American Locomotive Company (ALCO) Built Locomotive, assembled in 1944.
Tractive Effort: 62,119 ibs/ft.
Load commonly hauled in Excursion: All Steel Mixture of Pullman and Budd Cars weighing in excess of 150 tons a piece, with occasional demonstrative freight pulls.
Designed for heavy mainline running on Rails in excess of 126ibs.
Great Western 90:
Class 2-10-0 Baldwin Built Locomotive, assembled in 1924.
Tractive Effort: 48,000 ibs/ft.
Load commonly hauled in Excursion: All wood passenger coaches weighing only 70 tons a piece. (Per car for your slow mind)
Designed for Small, to Moderate local freight and passenger on rails around 90ib.
Strausburgh forces are very well capable of restoring 261, but will they? No. 261 is too large and too heavy to fit their needs, also adding to the fact that it would do more damage to the tracks than Strausbugh wants.
Anyway. Strausburgh tends to follow a 1920s - 1930s era situation with their trains, and having a 1944 built locomotive running throws the whole theme out of wack.
Now, Enough with this Gibberish. We have already determined your incapability of understanding our comments. Just because you read Railroad & Railfan magazine does not make you an Expert.
Not knowing the total weight, I'd bet that the locomotive was bought at the value of the metal. IE: bought at scrap value.
The $150,000 I mentioned from 1944 was the new factory price. To build one today, would be upwards of $2-3M, if not more because the skills are gone.
But you can see, a $150,000 investment in motive power was a lot for 1944
$225,000 seems pretty high for scrap value actually.
magickmaker
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wait what do you mean scrap value?
Basically, you take the weight of the locomotive and tender, divide by 2000 to get how many total tons of Iron there are. Then you multiply by the going rate for Iron scrap metal, and you can get a general idea how much the engine is worth for scrap value.
In the case of this engine, the locomotive alone is worth close to 100,000 dollars just for scrap. Tender is near 75,000 also just on scrap weight alone. This doesn't figure in any other metals like brass, and copper which would be found in the locomotive. So, looking at everything, with a base price of around 175,000 dollars in iron alone, it's no stretch to think that they bought her at scrap value. I'd wager there's enough other metals to make up the remaining price... There's only 50,000 dollars between 175,000 and the price they paid.
magickmaker
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It should be able to. I think it has to pass a handful of checks for safety first, but yeah, it should be able to.
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