Microsoft Train Simulator (X) II Release Q4 2008

Indeed. I just checked Play.com and they list the full price of Windows Vista Ultimate (non-upgrade) in Britain as GBP 370. Their price is GBP 290. This would appear to be the non-OEM version. I don't know if the OEM version is available as a retail item here.

But aren't the vast majority of sales of Windows in the form of pre-installed software on new computers?

John
 
Wow you guys are getting ripped off :( But it's the same with Canada now take for eg. Books. A book has a fixed value for US and Canada (usually it goes something like 9.99 USD 13.99 CAD or so) but there is very little diference in value of American and Candian dollars so it is actually cheaper to go down to the US of A and buy your books there..

Anyways, moving on it's probably not a topic for the forum.. as someone said since this runs on MS FS X engine which is good for XP and Vista why can not the MSTS 2 run on XP aswell?
 
omber said:
why can not the MSTS 2 run on XP aswell?
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Maybe Microsoft know it will work with XP, but as it has been said before they want users to switch over to Vista, as they switch over to Vista those users will buy MSTS II and which will see Microsoft making more sales and more profit.:hehe:

Another thing Microsoft will stop supporting XP in 2/3 years time.

Ahsan
 
Train Simulator 2 will model almost all of the world’s railways using sophisticated processing techniques and real-world track data.
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Hi all,

Does this mean what the naive [sp?] person might read it as, or is this cunning sales-speak? What I mean, is could I in theory drive all of the rails in the UK in a single session and travel from say Taunton to Leeds via Carlisle (it would take about 9 hours!), or am I expecting too much? It would be good if Preserved railways were included (for example, you could travel from Oxenhope on the KWVLR to Hellifield on the National Network - that would be a good journey) or again am I expecting too much?

It sounds too good ... you know the expression. :wave:

I'm also wondering what UK stock and buildings there will be, but obviously it's too early to know.
 
It implies (assuming the Channel Tunnel is included) you could drive anywhere there is a continuous rail network so, Thurso to Istanbul and if you ignore gauge changes, Thurso to Beijing.

What level of detail we would experience on the way in terms of prototype track layout, signalling and station architecture is another matter. I'm sure as with Flight Sim now some areas of the world will be more detailed while others are represented by autogen or generic elements. However the prospect of having at least a basic representation of all the worlds rail routes in one programme is impossible not to get excited about. Even if it means going from Seattle to Chicago some of the locations along the way use "Small Amtrak Station", "Medium Amtrak Station" etc. rather than specific structures it's still far more than any train sim to date has given us.

One assumes developers will be able to edit those parts which are of particular interest and upload as happens now with MSFS.
 
smkiller said:
...What i can see, is some people are unhappy with change, and are sticking with XP...

Sam
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While some people are simply happy with what still works just fine and don't want to change just for the sake of change, others resent being pushed into bloatware just so Microsoft can make a few more billion.
On the other hand, computers are continually improving to keep up with the resource hogging monstrosity. 1GB ram is normal on bargain rack computers now that they find that 512MB isn't enough to run Vista.
I wouldn't mind trying the new Train Simulator, though. My only real concern would be whether it will run on Windows. Microsoft products always give me trouble when I run them on Windows.
Question: If the new program models all the world's railroads, why do you need to make the ones that weren't made?

:cool: Claude
 
I believe microsoft will release MSTS 2 either not at all (like the last time), or buggy as hell. In any case don't think for a second that microsoft will sink so low as to release a "patch". Which would be like microsoft admitting that they made a mistake.

Do anyone in this forum believe that the developer team will continue to develop the simulator afterwards? Ironing out bugs and tweaking its performace and realism? Not me that's for sure! Once it goes on the market it's forgotten territory for microsoft. No real patch was ever released for MSTS, 1.1 was only painting over some serious lacks in programming. and 1.2 was no patch at all, it was an addon and it wasn't made by microsoft either.

Kuju is already roaming their new forums to get feedback and to find bugs. A patch is already in the works.
 
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omber said:
.... as someone said since this runs on MS FS X engine which is good for XP and Vista why can not the MSTS 2 run on XP aswell?
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It probably could run fine on XP, but the fact that it demands Dx10 is the crux of the matter, and also this is a way to (not me) get people to buy a flagging product.

Chris
 
Well this is MSTS 2 related so here it is. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QRBNZR55 That's the press kit. It includes 2 videos and 10 in game screenshots along with 8 renders. It also includes the fact sheet.

The 2 videos are about the world of rails and the other is about the art and renders.

I find this impressive but hey I'm only 15 my vote doesn't matter yet. Go ahead and take a look at what their giving us.

P.S. I did not put the press release pack up for download it was done by someone from the UK train sim forum.
 
Oh well bad news for those of us Trainz fans who were hoping MSTS2 will provide the functionality that Trainz does. I just asked some key questions to the developers of MSTS2 and did not get the response that I was hoping to get. check the the link below.

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=186&t=75751

MSTS2 is just a driving simulation like MSTS. Its not going to have the functionality that TRS provides of switching between trains that are entirely controlled by AI. No Sessions concept like we have in TRS.
 
Trainz is very flexible and with clever scripting can be made to do a great deal. A more up-to-date graphics engine would be nice though. :)
 
anand99 said:
Oh well bad news for those of us Trainz fans who were hoping MSTS2 will provide the functionality that Trainz does. I just asked some key questions to the developers of MSTS2 and did not get the response that I was hoping to get. check the the link below.

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=186&t=75751

MSTS2 is just a driving simulation like MSTS. Its not going to have the functionality that TRS provides of switching between trains that are entirely controlled by AI. No Sessions concept like we have in TRS.
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seems to me they've answered your questions to the best of their ability. Sure it's not the answer(s) you may have been looking for but it's clear that many aspects of TS2 are still in the planning or development stages so it would be pretty foolhardy of Aces to share with you and the community/competition an exact feature set, especially as things change as development all comes together.

One of Tdraggers blog entries mentioned that some planned features had to be dropped or "held over" to the next version. Just imagine what you and the community would do if one of these dropped features was an already discussed feature that many wanted in the finished product.

Best layed plans and all that....

Steve:)
 
Well, I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a bunch of pictures floating down the track...*cackle, snort, wheeze, whistle*...:cool:
 
SandwichSpread said:
It probably could run fine on XP, but the fact that it demands Dx10 is the crux of the matter, and also this is a way to (not me) get people to buy a flagging product.

Chris
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Well, It has been stated a couple times that they are not sure about the DX10 requirement as of yet, So there still could be a possibility that the sim could run on XP.
 
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