Merge route!?

[celje]

That's odd. Is something corrupted in the route (I truly hope not!). Have you tried a backup of the route? Even one that's older maybe good for testing just to see what's going on.

Can you make the unfinished route available for testing? I would like to take a look at it and see what's going on. I don't need your content as I will just try the merge of the routes.

If you can do that, I'll test it privately and see what's going on. Just send me a link via PM.

My system has gobs of memory and disk space so with that I can rule out hardware.

Hello I'm sorry I'm late.
Maybe i wasn't be clear enough. I have no problem with my route. In Tane i made cdp and transfer it in TRS19 without problem. Same i did with session. Work without problem. It had build 4.5, i change in config on 4.6.
For merge i download from DLS new route by Vern, named Sulitjelma from 2. September. When i'm searching for reasons why merge don't succeed i thought that problem is maybe in this route which is not shown on CM of TRS19, but only on DLS. Truth is that new assets are not shown yet in CM of TRS19.
I will send you PM.

 

[JCitron]

Hello I'm sorry I'm late.
Maybe i wasn't be clear enough. I have no problem with my route. In Tane i made cdp and transfer it in TRS19 without problem. Same i did with session. Work without problem. It had build 4.5, i change in config on 4.6.
For merge i download from DLS new route by Vern, named Sulitjelma from 2. September. When i'm searching for reasons why merge don't succeed i thought that problem is maybe in this route which is not shown on CM of TRS19, but only on DLS. Truth is that new assets are not shown yet in CM of TRS19.
I will send you PM.

The new route has nothing to do with the crashing. I checked your route and can't merge your route into another, though I merged a single baseboard into your route, but not the other way around. There's something wrong somewhere which I can't find, but I did come across these here with errors in the Developer _Show Logs as having errors.

<kuid2:122285:4043:20> JK Point 10-CL Curved Left
<kuid2:122285:4051:20> JK Point 06-LH Left
<kuid2:122285:4038:20> JK Point 20-XX Crossing
<kuid2:122285:4030:20> JK Point 10-LH Left
<kuid2:122285:4031:20> JK Point 10-RH Right
<kuid2:122285:4036:20> JK Point 10-SD Double Slip
<kuid2:122285:4032:20> JK Point 10-YP Y Point


- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade01-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4029:20> "JK Way Gauge 3T-5.0-FT (1.5m)"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade02-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4029:20> "JK Way Gauge 3T-5.0-FT (1.5m)"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade03-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4029:20> "JK Way Gauge 3T-5.0-FT (1.5m)"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade04-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4029:20> "JK Way Gauge 3T-5.0-FT (1.5m)"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade02-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4030:20> "JK Point 10-LH Left"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade03-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4030:20> "JK Point 10-LH Left"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade04-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4030:20> "JK Point 10-LH Left"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade01-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4022:20> "JK Spacer 10-5.0-FT (9.14m)"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade02-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4022:20> "JK Spacer 10-5.0-FT (9.14m)"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade03-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4022:20> "JK Spacer 10-5.0-FT (9.14m)"'
- <NULL> MeshObject::SetFXTextureReplacement> effect 'blade04-texture' not found on asset '<kuid2:122285:4022:20> "JK Spacer 10-5.0-FT (9.14m)"'
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etc.

There's too many to post here.

From what I recall these have 'problems' with T:ANE and have had problems since the earlier days, and now they could be causing crashes. I would remove these and give the merger a try, which I will leave up to you.

There's one other thing I tried, which I thought might help is to replace the track since the track on the route is quite old.

JR CS Concrete 2 Grey Kuid:334896:38048, which seemed like a close match to the old MP concrete track. I also replaced the occasional Auran Track with the same concrete track just because to rule out anything related to that.

And finally you have some double-placed signals in some locations such as here:

Altenstadt

Signal:
Sig LMS home lattice 20ft RH kuid2:330374:1042:1

When I installed the route, I was only missing 2 dependencies. This what happens when we've used Trainz for so long, apparently we gather nearly the whole DLS on the hard drive.

I checked the route in both TR19 96000 and 96191 and both did the same crash so it's not version-specific. Outside of these things I've found, the route is quite large, which means there's lots of content and it could very well be something else causing the problem. I can't say it's the route size that's the problem because I have a route just as large and that does not exhibit these issues.

 

[celje]

JCitron

Thank you very much for all your efforts you put it in the search for an error.

I will delete this kuids and change the track. This track is good looking without moire effect so i will try to keep it. Interesting is that route (session) work without problem (except script errors) as stand alone and interesting is too that merge work in TANE.
I hope that N3V read this and that they will try to help. Maybe they have any suggestion.

Again, thank you very much for your help.

regards
celje

 

[JCitron]

JCitron

Thank you very much for all your efforts you put it in the search for an error.

I will delete this kuids and change the track. This track is good looking without moire effect so i will try to keep it. Interesting is that route (session) work without problem (except script errors) as stand alone and interesting is too that merge work in TANE.
I hope that N3V read this and that they will try to help. Maybe they have any suggestion.

Again, thank you very much for your help.

regards
celje

Ah, you're welcome I'm glad I could help in some fashion by at least getting you in the right direction. The route is really nice, and I can see where there are things being changed to work to keep everything consistent. Like any route in progress, there are lots of details which will need to be looked over again and again to get rid of the bumps and holes, both literally and figuratively with such things as trees in the way, floating track, quirky junctions and everything else we find in routes.

The route will work as is as a standalone route, but that's not your intent so it's something that needs looking into in detail. I agree have N3V look at it. Send up the link you gave me to the QA Team via a bug report.

https://n3vgames.typeform.com/to/xRdryu

Explain in detail what's going on, what has been found, etc. With that information and route in hand, maybe they can take a look at things in a different way than we can. They have debugging tools and stuff that can read the code that we can't. During the testing I did receive some Assertion errors in 96191, but didn't capture them. You should send those along with the route because that maybe an answer to your TRS19 problem as well.

In part what we're running into here in TRS2019, as much as it's based on T:ANE underneath, is this really isn't T:ANE and these additions and changes can cause all kinds of incompatibilities which need to be worked out. This is why we need to report the errors to the QA Team to work through and get the bugs over to the developers.

 

[celje]

Hello again JCitron

I sent your post, link and my observation to help desk one hour after you wrote what you find. I really don't know if my route is causing the merge problem. Meanwhile i tried to merge builtin route Niddertalbahn and Sulitjelma. i leave merging more then one hour and merge didn't finish so i close merging. Then i return to TANE and try merge there, no problem, so my PC seems to be without faults.
Two conclusions i see:
- something is wrong with TRS19
- still remain using TANE for merge and then transfer to TRS19, but this is limited for build 4.5 routes only
And yes I'm tired now.
JCitron thank you again for help.
regards
celje

 

[celje]

After elimination all 'JK' contents from route, merge still don't work.

 

[celje]

I hope that N3V will be so kind and will try to find out the mistake

 

[JCitron]

I hope that N3V will be so kind and will try to find out the mistake

Yes. I agree. They have the analysis tools that we don't have which will help find this stuff, hopefully.

 

[ish6]

Merging routes, for me, is a nightmare -- I recently began updating my Marsz route, and it's a monster of a route; And yet when I have tried to merge marsz modules to it I get lost. Etc … We need more features when dealing with merging routes!

Just my 2 cents!
Ish

 

[escd84]

Mayby this is worth a try? Check if there are more txt files in the content folder than config.txt. Had as described above also merge problems. Later I try for myself, for me no merge worked where, for example, an Info.txt or another txt file except the config.txt was there.

 

[celje]

Mayby this is worth a try? Check if there are more txt files in the content folder than config.txt. Had as described above also merge problems. Later I try for myself, for me no merge worked where, for example, an Info.txt or another txt file except the config.txt was there.

Can you explain where this txt. may i find. Inside TRS19\data\ i have patch-config.txt, is this?

 

[escd84]

I looked at the content folder of Sulitjelma and the other routes you mentioned and everything is all right. Also merge the mentioned routes worked for me in build 96191. I just got an error message but in less than 1 minute everything was done.

Can you explain where this txt. may i find. Inside TRS19\data\ i have patch-config.txt, is this?

In CM, right-click and open in Explorer. Then you are in the content folder of the routes where everything is which is important. Did you get any error messages from the CM or from the game?

As JCitron says, wait and see what N3V says. Maybe they can find the mistake.

 

[celje]

Thank you escd84 for your test. I have build 96000.

regards
celje