Lublin - Dorohusk

I didn't say that you don't have the copyright of something you create, I am saying that, i.e., to take your picture example, if you post a pic made by you on a website and state that nobody should post it somewhere else, you cannot do anything legally against somebody who posts it, because 1.the one who does, does not make any money out of it and 2.again, to have the law on your side, IT ( the law:P ) must know about your creation, thus your creation must be registered somewhere. And believe me, unless you don't register your work, it's not going to register itself a.k.a. nobody from the legal dept. is going to search the internet and randomly register original creations.
I dont know where you live, but in the EU its really different.
Sure it may be hard to prove that a person is the author of something, thats another point.
But I never heard such a crap, that you have to register works to copyright them.

In the internet applies the same law than offline.


But I stop this discussion here, because I see no sense.
I have to do with this stuff since years, believe it or not.
 
I dont know where you live, but in the EU its really different.
Sure it may be hard to prove that a person is the author of something, thats another point.
But I never heard such a crap, that you have to register works to copyright them.

In the internet applies the same law than offline.


But I stop this discussion here, because I see no sense.
I have to do with this stuff since years, believe it or not.

OFFTOPIC
I am sorry but i have to agree with DaSnakke...i don't know how or where you worked with this, but all i can say is that i found myself one day with some of my creations from www.trainzro.com published on a free weebly.com website. I sent an email to Weebly, telling them that those are my objects published there with no right...and guess what...the guys from Weebly do not have Trainz installed to read the license in the config file and they couldn't do ***t because my work is not registered. I do not have documents to state that those items are mine. I can very well "steal" them from some other place, publish them under my name and then pretend to be mine, do the guys from Weebly know this? Yes they can help me but only if i can prove somehow that i am the author.

Indeed, in the US, Europe and Australia, you automatically have ownership and grantable rights to anything you create (3D models included). But, if you want to have it protected legally in the courts, (that is to say in order to litigate if you don't approve of an unauthorized use), you must register the work with some copyright office. And let's be real, nobody will pay to register some houses or grass or trees, and nobody will ever get so p****d off to sue someone who posts a Trainz object created by him/her in a dependencies pack. It is only a matter of common sense, as said before, not to modifiy that object and pretend to be yours, publish it as a standalone object on your website, or make a profit from it. But otherwise i do not see a problem, in fact i suppose that any author of an object will be more than happy if his/her object/s are used, and especially used in a route like this one. Why has he/she created the object if not for public use? If you don't want your object to be used then don't publish it and keep it for yourself.

And one more thing, the MSTS routes all come complete, sometimes in an .exe files that contain all the objects. Does anyone gets annoyed? I never heard of trials or fines for using someone elses objects in a depenedencies pack...And to be honest, i prefer that a route creator sticks to his "job" of creating routes, than searching around the web for object authors to ask for their permission. I am sure all of you prefer to download all objects in one pack, and not wait for hours on DLS or search for days on i don't know what websites (sometimes having the surprise that some websites do not exist anymore or files have expired), but some are hypocrites and they do not admit it.

ONTOPIC

Great route zieba111 keep up the good work.
 
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I am sorry but i have to agree with DaSnakke...i don't know how or where you worked with this, but all i can say is that i found myself one day with some of my creations from www.trainzro.com published on a free weebly.com website. I sent an email to Weebly, telling them that those are my objects published there with no right...and guess what...the guys from Weebly do not have Trainz installed to read the license in the config file and they couldn't do ***t because my work is not registered. I do not have documents to state that those items are mine. I can very well "steal" them from some other place, publish them under my name and then pretend to be mine, do the guys from Weebly know this? Yes they can help me but only if i can prove somehow that i am the author.
I never said its easy to prove.
What I said is, that there is a right and your works are protected through law.
I know its not really easy to apply law here, i never said that its easy.
The law exists and for me, i respect it. You want your rights to be respected, so why do you want other rights to be ignored?
Quite sure I would never get accused for hosting that content. But Its a kind of respect regarding the author.
In german community has been a lot of trouble regarding copyrights of freeware, i don't want to get into kind of a shirtstorm or something like this.

I never said i'm happy with that situation.
I also would prefer if content could be given without problems.
For my future content i'll look for a matching license like Creative commons or such.
I only said how the situation is.
 
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Hello Marek !
Thank you very much to share your phantastique map with all necesarry parts with us !
Greetings from Germany
Joachim-9
 
Quite sure I would never get accused for hosting that content. But Its a kind of respect regarding the author.

That's what I said, the issues are moral, not legal.

And btw, I'm from Romania and we have been in the EU for 5 years now, so same law is applicable here..

In other words, Okhiu stated everything I needed to say.
 
Zieba really great map :D

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Zieba, congratulations, you made the most beautiful route i ever see.

The landscape is unique, of course all this 'candies' have influence on frames. On my PC the frames are from 6 to 12. I presume that you searched for compromise, because tracks splines are not good looking with to short draw distance.

About sessions: as usual i test every route by putting on the track one loco with command to reach the end of the route. I put in loco near junction Lb Oz 22 with command navigate to Portal Jagodyn. Only on two places loco stop and don't continue, at junction LB Wz 31 and before junction Dz 110 at ramp brake. The route is accurate enough for this distance of 95 km, try to look signals at this junctions.
I admitt that i have not luck with your sessions, no one work for me, drivers shows the error in CM (faulty dependencies), inside the driver mode the error is shown for MINs ( i saw that you use english and german version of MINs, why?), but this is not importance for me because i always made my own sessions.
Once again you succeed to make the best looking route we have.
Thank you for all your effort you put in building this route.

best regards
celje
 
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Thx for good words!

I admitt that i have not luck with your sessions, no one work for me, drivers shows the error in CM (faulty dependencies), inside the driver mode the error is shown for MINs ( i saw that you use english and german version of MINs, why?),
I think TS12 has problem with sessions :( I made it in TS2010, build 49933. My friend drstrach in TS12 has the same problem.
What it mean: MINs?
 
as per your saying this is made for ts 2010 native mode then it means it works hardly in ts 2010 compatiblity mode
 
Thx for good words!


I think TS12 has problem with sessions :( I made it in TS2010, build 49933. My friend drstrach in TS12 has the same problem.
What it mean: MINs?


I install route in TS10 build 44088. MIN= multiple industry new

regards
 
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I have many question for which version of trainz is my route. That is why I have to articulate it:

Route Lublin - Dorohusk is for TS2010 (build 49933
, native mode) or higher versions.
It is not for lower versions of Trainz!!!

The route + sessions work very well in TS2010 build 44088 , tested it today
 
Most of players have problems with lower build of TS2010. Please upgrade to build 49933. Then You will have no problems.
 
The route + sessions work very well in TS2010 build 44088 , tested it today


As i said i don't care for sessions, i just inform zieba that problems are.
BTW okhiu, i'm certain that you have not drivers, because they have missing dependencies. How you resolve this.
 
Most of players have problems with lower build of TS2010. Please upgrade to build 49933. Then You will have no problems.

I'm sorry, it's not my intention to make problems, your route is so good, so this is irelevant, but I think that build 44088 or 49933 will not solve the missing dependencies of the russian drivers. Or maybe i'm wrong. It will be easier if you use build-in drivers in new sessions you prepare.
 
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As i said i don't care for sessions, i just inform zieba that problems are.
BTW okhiu, i'm certain that you have not drivers, because they have missing dependencies. How you resolve this.

I do have all drivers. Already played all the sessions without any problems.

These are the (all) sessions dependencies, as you can see, 0 unknown.

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In the same time, route and sessions appear with the red icon, which means thay only have some faulty items, but nothing missing.

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And the non built-in drivers that i have in the game look like this. (dont really know which are used by zieba111)

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Okhiu thank you for explanation.
It's interesting that i have absolutely clean instalation for route and all sessios (without any red or yellow mark), but in CM3.3, the sessions under 'view dependencies' not contain the kuids of drivers. Usually they are including in kuid table of config. In CM under 'category-driver' i have 8 drivers, Andrei, Vladik, Diana, Leha, Vasya and under name ????????? a three, made by authors oleghkim, dumont and agentmike, which shows missing dependencies( yellow with unknown kuid).

regards
celje
 
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Please note
In the TS12 for session: "empty to Puchaczow" and "LW Bogdanka - load to Jaszczow", you must download from the DLS:
- Passenger Door Control,<kuid:57344:1015>
- Remove Train,<kuid2:77641:80000:1>
- InstantLoad,<kuid2:117290:1017:1>
Unfortunately, the CMP does not show that they are missing.
 
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