Looking at this dell computer

[mrscsi]

But let me ask the question, how many certifications do you currently hold? Hardware or software? What about A+? Do you hold any certifications whatsoever?

The reason I ask is I wouldn't go to a doctor and value his opinion if he were not trained and licensed in medicine, why on earth should anybody value your opinion about computer hardware if you're not certified and have worked in railroad operations your entire life?

What are your bona fides for your supposed computer knowledge?

I held or hold hardware certifications for Dell, IBM, HP, Compaq, Gateway, Acer, Cisco. I held or hold software certifications with Microsoft, Linux, PeopleSoft, Lotus Notes.

I will more than contend that strictly on the basis of the original poster's question I was highly more qualified to answer than you were. Now anytime that you want to come to the table with your certifications I'll be glad to match you certification for certification anytime anywhere...

But I don't dig them out for free, I didn't get them for free, I didn't perform using the knowledge gained by getting them for free, so before you even ask if you want to see them, you're not going to see them for free...

Higher education can be expensive and should be expensive, because anything free really is only worth what you paid for it...

 

[djt]

Started my computer career in 1981 and retired in 06 as VP of Technology at CIGNA.

Now I don't need to go to a forum and type away to a bunch of little nerds to validate what I already know. I know that an Intel board is generally higher quality than a 3rd party licensed board.*

Then why can't you tell us how that “real deal” Intel motherboard is better or higher quality than a Asus or Gigabyte motherboard?

I've had more than a few Intel “branded” motherboards over the last ten years and I know for a fact that the components on the PCB were no better then what I've seen from Asus or Gigabyte.

Now in having this discussion I am sure glad I do not reside on the east coast if in fact you are working anywhere around a train back there because you can't seem to comprehend even the shortest statements and turn Dell x58's are intels to "are you telling us all Dells use intels?"

If you'd like to carry on a discussion about railroad operations I'll be glad to talk about that also in one of the other forum sections. As I asked you before is there anyone here on these forums who actually know you personally to substantiate your back ground or experience/credibility?

I have never claimed to know railroads or railroad operations. But I see you have upped the ante and now consider yourself superior not only in computer knowledge but railroad operations...

You started that with you're comment about your so-called “adult” life.

 

[djt]

But let me ask the question, how many certifications do you currently hold? Hardware or software? What about A+? Do you hold any certifications whatsoever?

Actually I have taken A+ certification classes (what was required for a Computer Information Systems degree program anyway).

I also have personnel friends that have A+ certification and have said flat out said that the certification is a joke.

When I took those classes they were still teaching how to trouble shoot machines running Windows 98 on Pentium 2's.

By the way anyone who has worked for the railroad will tell you that you can't do much for the railroad without being certified or qualified to do the job.

The reason I ask is I wouldn't go to a doctor and value his opinion if he were not trained and licensed in medicine, why on earth should anybody value your opinion about computer hardware if you're not certified and have worked in railroad operations your entire life?

Which begs the question why if you have all of these certifications can you not tell me how the quality of a Intel motherboard in a Dell computer is better then a Gigabyte or Asus motherboard?

There plenty of “nerds” in the forums I posted links to who do have the certifications you say you hold that tell a much different story.

why on earth should anybody value your opinion about computer hardware if you're not certified and have worked in railroad operations your entire life?

If you can give me the name of a college that exposes students to high end hardware and what it's capable of in class, I'm all ears.

I held or hold hardware certifications for Dell, IBM, HP, Compaq, Gateway, Acer, Cisco. I held or hold software certifications with Microsoft, Linux, PeopleSoft, Lotus Notes.

So do any of those certifications have anything to do with gaming on a PC.

 

[johnwhelan]

Question to Beattie have we answered your question?

Thanks John

 

[mrscsi]

Actually I have taken A+ certification classes (what was required for a Computer Information Systems degree program anyway).

I also have personnel friends that have A+ certification and have said flat out said that the certification is a joke.

When I took those classes they were still teaching how to trouble shoot machines running Windows 98 on Pentium 2's.

By the way anyone who has worked for the railroad will tell you that you can't do much for the railroad without being certified or qualified to do the job.






Which begs the question why if you have all of these certifications can you not tell me how the quality of a Intel motherboard in a Dell computer is better then a Gigabyte or Asus motherboard?

There plenty of “nerds” in the forums I posted links to who do have the certifications you say you hold that tell a much different story.





If you can give me the name of a college that exposes students to high end hardware and what it's capable of in class, I'm all ears.






So do any of those certifications have anything to do with gaming on a PC.

So you don't have a job to go to on the railroad since you're sitting here in this forum arguing with me...

Could this be another crack in your imaginary façade?:hehe:

You keep wanting to compare apples and oranges and keep showing your inability to stay on topic. The original poster asked a simple question, you then came in spewing your hatred of Dell that's obviously based on some misinformation that you have garnered in one of your favorite nerd forums and are just parroting it as gospel.

My question to you would be this, how many Dell x58's have you owned? And if the answer is none on what experience are you basing your supposed qualifications regarding Dell x58 machines?

It's one thing to speak from a position of experience, it's another to be a blowhard talking about something you have no experience with...:hehe:

 

[mrscsi]

Question to Beattie have we answered your question?

Thanks John

I would hope we have. The Dell x58 machines are more than capable of running 2010 and as long as he/she is aware that the only downside I personally saw was that the power supplies Dell uses tend to be matched for the hardware they include but it will be the first thing he/she will have to replace if they want more drives, new video card etc. in the future.

I responded as a happy Dell owner who runs 2010 and enjoys every minute of it unlike the hard core gamer blowhard who probably has never owned a Dell and is just parroting what his nerdboy gaming forums tell him about Dell's...

 

[djt]

So you don't have a job to go to on the railroad since you're sitting here in this forum arguing with me...

It's called consulting, you've heard of it right? I'll be glad to PM some contact information if you think it's all a “imaginary façade”.

The original poster asked a simple question, you then came in spewing your hatred of Dell that's obviously based on some misinformation that you have garnered in one of your favorite nerd forums and are just parroting it as gospel.

I asked you a simple question, why can't you answer it, how is a Intel based motherboard in a Dell of any higher quality then a Asus or Gigabyte?

 

[djt]

I responded as a happy Dell owner who runs 2010 and enjoys every minute of it unlike the hard core gamer blowhard who probably has never owned a Dell and is just parroting what his nerdboy gaming forums tell him about Dell's...

But wait those “nerdboy's” in the gaming hardware forums hold the same certificates as you do, how come they tell a different story?

 

[mrscsi]

It's called consulting, you've heard of it right? I'll be glad to PM some contact information if you think it's all a “imaginary façade”.

I think it's called an overactive imagination from an adolescent (but that's just my personal opinion) :hehe:

Actually I am not really interested in watching you teeter from one axis to another unable to maintain the topic at hand and will be adding you to my ignore list

 

[mrscsi]

But wait those “nerdboy's” in the gaming hardware forums hold the same certificates as you do, how come they tell a different story?

One last answer before ignore goes on...

So, you now admit you are just parroting what you have read and are not debating from a position of actual experience?

Wow what a shock and surprise :hehe:

 

[mrscsi]

Although I have you on ignore I did manage to compose a nice article about our "debate" (and I use that term lightly since you probably have no idea what the word means) and posted it on my site...

http://trainzroutes.vandalproductions.com/component/k2/item/21-the-story-of-idiot-boy.html

Hope you enjoy it:hehe:

 

[Beattie]

Those of you that wonder how much this costs its going to cost me 1000 dollars

 

[mrscsi]

Those of you that wonder how much this costs its going to cost me 1000 dollars

You wont regret it. Keep in mind that the power supply is going to be matched for what it comes with and to upgrade any components in the future it will probably not be powerful enough...

As long as you go into it with your eyes open and realize that I think you should be happy.

It will run 2010 just fine with the specs you mentioned and for the price you can't build one with the OS for that price...

If you get it and have any questions feel free to pm me I would be glad to try to help in anyway...

 

[djt]

I think it's called an overactive imagination from an adolescent (but that's just my personal opinion)

Adolescent, I wish? Hardly, lol.

I guess I the back and forth bickering could be considered adolescent though.

Like I said before there are a few people who come into this forum from time to time who do know me personally along with my background, feel free to ask them if it's all an “overactive imagination”.

You have a PM.

So, you now admit you are just parroting what you have read and are not debating from a position of actual experience?

Ten years of experience building gaming setups for customers as well as myself.

As far as my experience goes with Dell's, I've upgraded plenty of them over the years and own a XPS laptop my self. I actually just worked on two of them (Dimension and Inspiron) last week.

By the way before you go you still have not told us what or how that “real deal” Intel motherboard is any better then a Gigabyte or Asus motherboard.

 

[RRSignal]

My only suggestion is that if you can get it without a security suite like Norton's or McAfee, do so. Get Avast, Avira Antivir, or NOD32 and Comodo for the firewall. All of these except NOD32 are available free and are much better than Norton's or McAfee's.

 

[djt]

It will run 2010 just fine with the specs you mentioned and for the price you can't build one with the OS for that price...

Actually you could build a slightly more powerful SandyBridge setup for right around that, plus you'd have the benefit of more capable and upgradeable components (higher quality).

As with any new setup the best advice is to do your research on component choice in a real hardware forum.

 

[fran1]

My only suggestion is that if you can get it without a security suite like Norton's or McAfee, do so. Get Avast, Avira Antivir, or NOD32 and Comodo for the firewall. All of these except NOD32 are available free and are much better than Norton's or McAfee's.

The norton+mcafee will probably be trial versions, the first thing I did was remove them via the compile programs list in control panel.

 

[djt]

My only suggestion is that if you can get it without a security suite like Norton's or McAfee, do so. Get Avast, Avira Antivir, or NOD32 and Comodo for the firewall. All of these except NOD32 are available free and are much better than Norton's or McAfee's.

Actually on my my “work” machines I've had very good luck with using Microsoft's free Security Essentials -


http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/


As always I wouldn't recommend gaming on a machine you are going to browse the Internet with.

 

[RRSignal]

The norton+mcafee will probably be trial versions, the first thing I did was remove them via the compile programs list in control panel.

This is true though Norton's tends to root itself in pretty deeply and is difficult to fully remove. Even Norton's own removal tool leaves some stuff around, often LiveReg crud. My motto is that it's less hassle to simply not install something to begin with rather than install it and then remove it.

 

[Retro00064]

Answer the simple question, mrscsi.

djt asked:

I asked you a simple question, why can't you answer it, how is a Intel based motherboard in a Dell of any higher quality then a Asus or Gigabyte?

Indeed. Why can you not answer it? He is not saying that the Dell is not better than the others in that sentence. He is asking You How the Dell is better. Just answer the question! He just wants to get your opinion on the matter.

Also, I am not sure of how well the moderators would feel about you posting about an other user like that on your website, such as calling him names.

Regards.