Long Island Railroad derailment - MOW Train collision

Not a good year for Trains, I still want to know what happened in >>>>

(The crash comes just weeks after a massive train crash in Hoboken, N.J., that left one ...) crash and what the NTSB comes up with after investigation..........

I dropped a picture in here I found this morning.......



This really disturbing..........What the heck was the Work Train thinking about,,,,and was the Dispatcher aware of potential Fowled Track situation....

Thanks for Sharing......
 
Good picture.

I too wonder what the dispatcher was thinking, and the crew too of the MOW train. It's as though people do things that aren't in synch and without thinking.

I agree it's been a bad railroad year and the NTSB will have a good study done on this which will give us a good understanding of what took place.
 
Hi everybody
Good picture.

I too wonder what the dispatcher was thinking, and the crew too of the MOW train. It's as though people do things that aren't in synch and without thinking.

I agree it's been a bad railroad year and the NTSB will have a good study done on this which will give us a good understanding of what took place.

Exelent post there John. All systems and companies in the transport industry have "good and bad" periods but it is how the industry learns from the incident investigations that if carried out and acted on correctly stops similar accidents occurring and increases transport safety into the future.

Bill
 
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A constant theme that comes out of all post accident inquiries is that there is never just one single event that is the direct cause of a mishap. More often than not, it is a series of errors that leads to the, often fatal, outcome. What I have always disliked in the past - and I speak of the British Press here specifically and particularly - was the automatic assumption that the driver/engineer of one or more of the trains involved was/were at fault and assumptions were put forward as fact never to be retracted even when the driver(s)/engineer(s) was/were exonerated.

Dave
 
I have to agree with Bill the safety culture on our railways and the rule-book that applies to them is formed and amended after accidents like this occur and the investigations find that something that had not been forseen has happened in a combination to make the railway unsafe at that time. Rules are then created to avoid a repetition of that event. Thats how most rule books work in terms of applying to current operations.
Certainly there wont be just 1 factor in this incident but a chain of events leading to the outcome. Luckily no one has been killed but it only takes one lapse or error of judgement.
 
A constant theme that comes out of all post accident inquiries is that there is never just one single event that is the direct cause of a mishap. More often than not, it is a series of errors that leads to the, often fatal, outcome. What I have always disliked in the past - and I speak of the British Press here specifically and particularly - was the automatic assumption that the driver/engineer of one or more of the trains involved was/were at fault and assumptions were put forward as fact never to be retracted even when the driver(s)/engineer(s) was/were exonerated.

Dave

I have to agree with Bill the safety culture on our railways and the rule-book that applies to them is formed and amended after accidents like this occur and the investigations find that something that had not been forseen has happened in a combination to make the railway unsafe at that time. Rules are then created to avoid a repetition of that event. Thats how most rule books work in terms of applying to current operations.
Certainly there wont be just 1 factor in this incident but a chain of events leading to the outcome. Luckily no one has been killed but it only takes one lapse or error of judgement.

Hi everybody


Exelent post there John. All systems and companies in the transport industry have "good and bad" periods but it is how the industry learns from the incident investigations that if carried out and acted on correctly stops similar accidents occurring and increases transport safety into the future.

Bill

Our National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) www.ntsb.org, will investigate the accident and produce a report with recommendations and suggestions on what to do better. The purpose of the NTSB is to educate and recommend policy changes, however, it has no arresting or ability to set fines for those in its reports it finds guilty. The NTSB will leave this for their supporting US government agencies such as the Federal Railroad Administration, Federal Highway Administration, Department of Transportation, etc. We can thank this group of overseers and investigators for the many safety changes that have been implemented in the past, sadly due to similar accidents. It's such accidents such as this that have brought on structural changes to the passenger cars and to locomotives that have prevented or minimized the deaths and injuries of many passengers. The past investigations into Amtrak and commuter crashes resulted in improved crumple zones, fire prevention, better escape routes for passengers, and improved electrical isolation to prevent electrocution and fires caused by contact with overhead wires, or in this case, third-rail, power.

Their work is not just isolated to railroads and without the NTSB we would never have seen some of the improvements we have today with our automobiles, things we take for granted, such as seatbelts, airbags, and crumple zones which take up the impact of other vehicles. It's amazing how the manufacturers will only do the minimum, and will only institute improvements when their hands are forced.

The victims of the accidents are not just the passengers in this case, or the lineside folks who may have to be evacuated during a major derailment. We need to look at the crew whose livelihood is lost due to his or her inability to perform a job due to the psychological stress not only from the accident its self, but also from the ongoing litigation which usually ensues in an accident. In some cases, such as the Elliott City, MD coal train derailment, it was teenagers on the tracks which caused the engineer of this coal train to derail as he applied his brakes in an emergency, which resulted in their deaths and millions of dollars in damage to the businesses and rail infrastructure.

Let us hope that the study done from this NTSB investigation lead to improvements in dispatcher and crew communications and prevents such accidents from occurring again. We have to keep in mind that accidents don't just happen and as always there are factors which cause accident since accidents do not occur in a vacuum.
 
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