johnwhelan
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Does this mean that you consider people who do not create assets for others to use for free but are happy to use freeware from other people selfish?
Cheerio John
Is payware "selfish?"
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Does this mean that you consider people who do not create assets for others to use for free but are happy to use freeware from other people selfish?
Cheerio John
How ironic then is your forum nickname?
I tip my hat to you Sir, I had never thought of that connection.
Peter Ware
amigacooke
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The difference is entitlement. If you demand that a creator works for free, you believe that you are entitled to freeware. If you use freeware that has been produced by the generousity of the creator, then you are using a freely given gift.
I'm grateful for all the freeware creations past and present, but I'm entitled to none of them.
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G'day,
I couldn't agree more, but some people seem to think that freeware content creators are there just for them, and then have the nerve to critisize what they get for nothing.
Personally I am just very thankfull that there is so much free content available, both here and on third party websites.
Have a good one,
E.C.
G'day,
$150 That's very cheap, if you want a detailed model, you wouldnt even get a European HO passenger coach for that price! And they're
plastic. For a decent engine you pay at least $700
. Just check out the prices from some European manufacturers, but make sure you take your heart medication first:hehe:.And then there is the scenery; if you want quality items such as those of Woodland scenics, just look at the price of a single tree! And you need buidings, so unless you're prepaired to do a lot of scratchbuiding, you're in for another hit on your wallet.
And of course there are those expenses that are not so apparent like wires, controlers etc. With a MR it never stops.
Trainz is the best (and cheapest) alternative. And it has the advantage of interactive and animated stations and industries, and greater realism.
What I miss in Trainz is the tactile sensations like placing that new Loco or rolling stock on the track, constructing buildings etc.
Have a good one,
E.C.
While I agree that it IS selfish to think freeware content is there just for you, I disagree on criticizing it. Constructive criticism, and I don't mean saying "this sux" as being constructive criticism, should be valued and appreciated by the creator of the freeware. He should take it as a compliment that someone cares enough about his creation to recommend possible improvements. Phil (philskene) is a perfect example of a freeware creator who knows how to take criticism and improve on what he created. And what happened to his route in TS10 wasn't even his fault.
Retro00064
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While I agree that it IS selfish to think freeware content is there just for you, I disagree on criticizing it. Constructive criticism, and I don't mean saying "this sux" as being constructive criticism, should be valued and appreciated by the creator of the freeware. He should take it as a compliment that someone cares enough about his creation to recommend possible improvements. Phil (philskene) is a perfect example of a freeware creator who knows how to take criticism and improve on what he created. And what happened to his route in TS10 wasn't even his fault.
Ditto, ditto, ditto!
Regards,
Retro.
i think payware or not payware being selfish or not is a bit like apples and oranges..some like apples and some like oranges...some like payware and some don't...but i'm glad we live in a time and place that we as a community have the freedom to choose..long live freeware and thier developers and the same for payware developers...my only regret is i don't have enough money to buy them all or i would.
Ditto, ditto, ditto!
Regards,
Retro.
I was going to say the same.
As a classically-trained pianist, I attend Master's Classes, and take piano lessons, not to be told how nicely I play, but to learn and yes I give a lot of free recitals, and accept a lot of critique as well.. The same is with model building. Granted these items maybe freely available, but if someone points out that there are major typos in the config.txt for example, or there is a misspelled word, these are things to watch out for and fix rather than taking offense and going away in a huff.
John
tolansherwood
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The answer is a definitive NO on selfishness. Content keeps the wheels going round, and most payware content is a true bargain. Freeware content may compare favorably at times, but for consistent quality, we can't go far from wrong with the fine payware items offered for Trainz.
tolansherwood
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Another thought that just occurred is that a good deal of the freeware we enjoy without cost originates from those who make the payware. QED.
Well I just opened the doors on my new payware store
We'll see if the community thinks I'm selfish:hehe:
ex-railwayman
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Well I just opened the doors on my new payware store
We'll see if the community thinks I'm selfish:hehe:
Hmmm, not at those prices......
Good luck with your venture and future projects.
Cheerz. ex-railwayman.
If you're still in the stone age, like me, and run 06 its actually more expensive to run 06 cuz it seems that anywhere you go to download "free" content, it seems there is always a kuid missing and the only way to get it is to buy a fct. so for the money you spent to get a free loco, you could have had 5 and in some cases 10 payware quality locos. I don't believe payware is selfish and its actually its the better way to go, if you're still in the stone age.
Well I just opened the doors on my new payware store
We'll see if the community thinks I'm selfish:hehe:
I can't afford 99 "****ing" cents for 11 pieces of content.
Looks like your website is NOT geared for kids. Way too much profanity for them to be visiting there. Oh yeah...your comparison of the two UP locos from Trainz and Railworks 2 was hilarious. Did you use actual paint chips to judge which one was closer to the real paint or are your eyeballs certified by UP as being accurate color judges of their paint? :hehe:
Dep
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Proud owner of Railworks 2
Proud supporter of payware for Railworks 2
Proud to be getting the FREE upgrade to Railworks 2012
Proud to receive support from the Steam Forum/Railworks 2 section members
Proud of the yellow paint on Railworks 2 UP locomotives
I do - I live in one of those trailers, and can't even afford $0.99.:'( Please, think of (my 12) children!!
OK, maybe not :hehe:
In all seriousness, (in my humble opinion) there's nothing wrong with someone asking for fair compensation for their work - I don't call my plumber selfish for wanting money to fix my drains.
Curtis
I can't afford 99 "****ing" cents for 11 pieces of content.
Looks like your website is NOT geared for kids. Way too much profanity for them to be visiting there. Oh yeah...your comparison of the two UP locos from Trainz and Railworks 2 was hilarious. Did you use actual paint chips to judge which one was closer to the real paint or are your eyeballs certified by UP as being accurate color judges of their paint? :hehe:
Dep
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Proud owner of Railworks 2
Proud supporter of payware for Railworks 2
Proud to be getting the FREE upgrade to Railworks 2012
Proud to receive support from the Steam Forum/Railworks 2 section members
Proud of the yellow paint on Railworks 2 UP locomotives
Well since you asked I based my comparison of the UP color is based on the 20 UP locos on average that pass by here everyday and I'm sorry Railworks is bright(er) or I could say a lighter yellow and pale compared to a Jointedrail loco in TS12 for example. JointedRail's loco's look closer to what I see daily...
As for the site it is what it is and at my age it was never going to be geared to kids. And while I am on my soapbox, you need to get out more and go hang around some kids today and you will probably hear words I ain't using on my site...
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LOL...I guess a little ribbing isn't your cup of yellow tea:hehe:
As to me getting out more with kids...I am a Kiwanian. Look it up. We are all about kids and setting them on the right course for their lives. Since Trainz has a LOT of kids using their program, having all kinds of profanities on your public website isn't exactly a good way to promote what you are selling. Just because SOME kids use that language, doesn't make it right. And kids tend to emulate adults. Setting a good example is something every responsible adult who has any influence on kids should be doing.
As to your train-spotting expertise...I live in New Mexico. As in BNSF and Union Pacific. If I had a nickel for every time I saw a UP or BNSF loco, I could go without my retirement pension. I just found it a bit nitpicky and ridiculous to go after what you think is a shade of yellow that isn't exactly "correct". Since most locos, after just a few days of use and baking in the hot sun and getting dirt and dust and funk all over them CHANGE colors, griping about a particular shade of color is kinda silly. And I don't doubt that there are variations in the yellow UP uses from batch-to-batch.
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Retro00064
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And it is not just kids who should not be looking at it and using it either; it is wrong-doing and sin regardless of age, and should not be used even by adults. Same goes for pornography and other ungodly things that the world likes.
And just think about how the world says that it is not appropriate for kids to view and use profanity, pornography, etc., yet it is "okay" for adults to do so. How hypocritical (or at least "not practicing what you preach").
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Oh, and you better watch out, MrScsi, for rule three of the Code of Conduct says (emphasis added):
Kind regards,
Retro.
And it is not just kids who should not be looking at it and using it either; it is wrong-doing and sin regardless of age, and should not be used even by adults. Same goes for pornography and other ungodly things that the world likes.
And just think about how the world says that it is not appropriate for kids to view and use profanity, pornography, etc., yet it is "okay" for adults to do so. How hypocritical (or at least "not practicing what you preach").
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Oh, and you better watch out, MrScsi, for rule three of the Code of Conduct says (emphasis added):
The CoC posse strikes again.
Kind regards,
Retro.
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And it is not just kids who should not be looking at it and using it either; it is wrong-doing and sin regardless of age, and should not be used even by adults. Same goes for pornography and other ungodly things that the world likes.
And just think about how the world says that it is not appropriate for kids to view and use profanity, pornography, etc., yet it is "okay" for adults to do so. How hypocritical (or at least "not practicing what you preach").
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Oh, and you better watch out, MrScsi, for rule three of the Code of Conduct says (emphasis added):
The CoC posse strikes again.
Kind regards,
Retro.
Kind regards, love how you put that on there after issuing a blatant threat "you better watch out"…
If you controlled the world and were the sole arbitrator of what is and what isn't inappropriate or vulgar and what is and what isn't a "sin" in your mind I would be extremely worried. Luckily however you're not the sole arbiter so as a result I'm not the least bit worried.
So what are you gonna do retro? Start some kind of drive to have me banned? If so get after it.
Frankly I'm tired of hearing you talk and making your blatant threats like you're some kind of holier than thou morality cop...
But with traffic growing like it is for a 3 month old site (35k unique visitors last month) ya know what? I think I'll think I will stick to whats workin, thanks for your input though....
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