Is payware "selfish?"

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Oh yeah, now I remember, I forgot to charge for my creations. I must be getting old and forgetful, silly me :p.

... and don't forget the hassles of setting up a product delivery and payment system, and then there's the headaches of customer support - just look at all the complaints in these forums about Trainz from users who, as it usually turns out, have problems with their computer systems, lack of ability, common sense and/or knowledge that are so obviously the fault of Auran/N3V. People expect a lifetime warranty, infinite product support and endless free upgrades for their $5 or $10.

No thank you - though I tip my hat to those who do create payware, its just not for me.
 
I agree when you say, "you ge what you pay for." Sometimes that something you get is nothing because it's not paid for. But sometimes you get something. Not all freeware is "empty" so to say, but not all payware is "full" either.

Fred
 
As a long time "freeware" creator and tool developer I would take offence at the suggestion that my freeware contributions to the game are empty, or vacuous or without substance (a little tautology there)

I suppose the 40000 or so downloads I have had from my tools page are evidence enough that there is some substance there. And keep in mind that it costs me each month to maintain that download page, and the guitars web site it is attached to.

The numbers of downloads from the DLS of some of my creations is, hopefully, evidence for some of my creations being useful.

I'd be quite happy to be paid for my efforts but by so receiving payment I would have some legal responsibility for my efforts.. I'm not prepared to lay myself open to rat-bag suits for reimbursement or damages from any disgruntled users.

As another thread asks, "are we nerds?" Of course we are..we spend many hours making or writing things.. I don't know about any one else, but I enjoy it. It keeps the aging brain ticking... I am still staunchly a freeware provider, and will remain so.

For those who think their efforts are worth some money, good luck to them.. We are all part of the same game community. It makes that whole experience more interesting.
 
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G'day,

Cteating payware is fair in my opinion. If someone spends endless hours creating an asset, I don't think that that person is selfish wanting some small renumeration for their effort.
Lets face it, if you have a model railroad, it cost a small fortune these days to buy loco's and rolling stock, and all the scenery items. And even if you build your own, you still have to fork out for the materials.So what's wrong whith chargeing a small fee for the content created for tainz.
And although all the content for trainz are realy "0" and "1" in it's purest form, some people out there spend a lot of time and effort to put all these zeroes and ones together to make some wonderfull assets.

I would like to express my gratitude to all content creators while I'm here. Thank you all very much! It is all of you that make Trainz great.

Have a good one,
E.C.
 
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Thre are pros and cons to both. I like freeware for the obvious reason it's free and it means if, for instance I create a route using freeware, it's there for anyone to use. That said, I've downloaded freeware many times to find that it is utter garbage (I know that people would say "Well do it yourself if you can do better".) I've also downloaded some absolutely amazing pieces of freeware, eg tmz06003's Class 55s.

I have no problem at all with payware either. I own quite a few items of same, mainly from Railwaves as they cater for my needs. All their items so far, have been excellent and worth the money. I've bought other payware and have found myself very annoyed that the creator is selling it as I feel it's not up to scratch for payware and even when I've made a query regarding this, I've been given the brush off.

The point is, freeware or payware, as long as the quality is there, it's fine. I don't expect the same quality from freeware though when it's there, it's a bonus. However, in the case of payware, I should expect to have an item of top quality which sadly, isn't always the case.
 
Trainz is a video game. No basis in reality, a virtual past time.
G'day,

HOW DARE YOU? Trainz is not just a video game, it is a way of life, an obsession, a sure way to alienate yourself from your ftiends and family, a constant source of frustration and countless hours of fun. And in part the reason for my hair turning grey. :hehe:

Have a good one,
E.C.
 
I'd ike to reply to the Op but I can't think of a reason. Hang on, I bought Murchison and got heaps of goodies. Any wealthy payware sellers out there?
baz
 
Payware provides stuff that many folks simply can't build on their own or don't want to take the time to build. And generally speaking they build it better than most regular folks can do...no offense to freeware makers.
Heck, some sims depend heavily on payware to support them. As in Railworks 2. :)
 
Payware provides stuff that many folks simply can't build on their own or don't want to take the time to build. And generally speaking they build it better than most regular folks can do...no offense to freeware makers. :)

I take full offense to that. :hehe: But you are right.

Fred
 
I was just looking through a PDF file of model railroad magazine from 2008 I think, everybody that thinks payware is selfish should be glad and counting their lucky stars that payware creators don't price their creations anywhere close to what model railroad equipment costs.

I always wanted a model railroad as a kid, but my parents couldn't afford it. As an adult I was always too busy and then as I got close to retirement I actually thought about it but found Trainz instead. Looking at some of the prices for locomotives and rolling stock, I was actually choking and these are 2008 prices…

So would I gladly pony up $10 for a JointedRail Loco that's going to be 20 times more detailed than an N scale or HO scale locomotive costing 150 bucks? All day and twice on Sunday…

For that $10 I have 1000 JointedRail Loco's if I want to put that many on a route, for that $150 in the model railroad world I get one locomotive.

You do the math and come back to me and tell me with a straight face that payware is selfish when looking at it in direct comparison with model railroading, which by the way Trainz really is.
 
from another view ...how many 4x8 sheets of baseboards /rollingstock/locomotives ...can you fit in your pocket?all things trainz i own fit on 5 8gb usb drives.
 
Is payware selfish? The simple answer is no. I would charge for my creations if I knew how to model. Go to dinner and a movie for what payware costs. At least with payware you get repeat value.
 
Is payware selfish, no, but freeware is extra generous. :)

This goes on a list of good quotes from this thread. And I think (unless you guys feel otherwise) that we can wrap this thing up sice the whole point of this was to get opinions to show my friend.

Fred
 
I was just looking through a PDF file of model railroad magazine from 2008 I think, everybody that thinks payware is selfish should be glad and counting their lucky stars that payware creators don't price their creations anywhere close to what model railroad equipment costs.

I always wanted a model railroad as a kid, but my parents couldn't afford it. As an adult I was always too busy and then as I got close to retirement I actually thought about it but found Trainz instead. Looking at some of the prices for locomotives and rolling stock, I was actually choking and these are 2008 prices…

So would I gladly pony up $10 for a JointedRail Loco that's going to be 20 times more detailed than an N scale or HO scale locomotive costing 150 bucks? All day and twice on Sunday…

For that $10 I have 1000 JointedRail Loco's if I want to put that many on a route, for that $150 in the model railroad world I get one locomotive.

You do the math and come back to me and tell me with a straight face that payware is selfish when looking at it in direct comparison with model railroading, which by the way Trainz really is.

$150???? Chump change!!! Check out the prices for some of the high end Lionel O-gauge stuff. You will be paying $1000 and UP. And I mean WAY up.:eek: :eek:
 
from another view ...how many 4x8 sheets of baseboards /rollingstock/locomotives ...can you fit in your pocket?all things trainz i own fit on 5 8gb usb drives.

Ahhh...but Lionel HAS quilling whistles:D . And will your computer-generated choo choo go UP in value over time? There are 1950s Lionel locos that are selling for WAY more than they originally cost. Some of them appreciate more than a bar of gold. Here ya go...check this out...

http://cgi.ebay.com/LIONEL-773-HUDS...409743?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item25667f50cf
 
My answer to the original question is - Yes AND No.

Some of the veterans on here will remember a Trainz member a few years ago who charged us for Payware routes that were quite frankly, bloody awful, he was publicly vilified and I think may have left the community, but, not after leaving many of us pissed off at having spent money on complete rubbish, was this selfish, to me, yes.......
Now, having had time away from this game for a while, on my return I've found that quite a few creators are now charging us for their content, why? They never used to do, and have been making content for many years for Trainz, all of it used to be freeware, is this selfish, to me, yes.....
I suppose it depends on who the folks are that charge us for their products, are they just hobbyists, are they old aged pensioners, are they unemployed?? I have absolutely no problem in purchasing anything if I like what I see, but, at only a fair price. Some Trainzy items used to cost over 100 dollars EACH, sorry, but there's not a chance in hell of me buying those assets, irrespective of whether they look authentic, and are the only ones available on the planet, however, if something was priced structurally to my liking, then yeah, I'll obtain it if I can make use of it, I always have. Obviously having played on other simulators, you get to know who Payware vendors are. If someone relies heavily on Payware models to make an honest living, and some folks do these days, then they are more likely to take more time and effort in creating their content and it is generally very difficult to say no too......:hehe: If someone just does it as a hobby, then I would have to look at it 10 times to decide whether it was worth acquiring, or, not. I always look at screenshots and videos of things beforehand, I tend to be a bit picky as to what I personally want for my games, if it doesn't look right, then I'll ignore it, maybe his next creation will be more my style. I would agree with mrscsi that I don't ever remember buying anything recently that wasn't worth the money for after getting it, I don't want to get my fingers burnt again.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.
 
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Yes it is selfish, to think that you should get something for nothing, that is selfish within it's self
steve
 
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