I'm Done - My last say.

[Sampug394]

$120 might buy you two tickets to a minor league game. Or maybe a B-list concert. And I could blow $120 in a nightclub real easy. All that for just a few hours entertainment, versus the thousand or thousands of hours of enjoyment I get out of this game.

...Even though you're sitting in front of a Computer. Not nearly as much of a memorable experience in comparison to the other things you listed... :hehe:

 

[Smoovious]

This was certainly true in the past, but as I understand it, we won't be able to upload unless the content has the build number of a supported version. A piece of content with a build number of 1.3 won't be able to be uploaded, even if it is 100% error free. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Mike

This is the only part of the whole thing I have a problem with.

I'm all for making sure all content uploaded passes error checking standards to current versions, but if a piece of content has been made without advanced functions only available in later releases, there should be absolutely no reason why the build # (which reflects COMPATABILITY) should have to be artificially inflated, to appear as if it is not compatable with previous versions.

This has less to do with DLS support, and the costs, and looks to me, like it has everything to do with addressing the complaints about the lack of 09/10 content available.

Artificially tagging new content as 09/10 content, when it is technically still 04/06 content is ... well, kind of fraudy, really.

There is no valid or technical reason to do this.

Make it all pass the compatability tests, certainly, I'm all for it, but no way do I support artificial compatability tags. (I get that enough from Microsoft... software that works with no problem in 2000, XP, 2003, but the installer won't allow it, so I have to do it manually... just stupid)

-- Smoovious

 

[RRSignal]

...Even though you're sitting in front of a Computer. Not nearly as much of a memorable experience in comparison to the other things you listed... :hehe:

Well as far as the sports goes, not much is memorable...in fact, the most memorable sporting experience as a watcher I had was at a charitable hockey game last winter...

 

[RRSignal]

Well after reading all this I think I have an understanding of what is going on. The Content DLS for previous versions of TRAINZ 04-06 is being removed from there free download options and are now only accessible if you purchase a First Class Ticket. I do not see all that much of a problem with this. Auran has supported their DLS longer than most other companies support products of past production. They are not deleting their content; just providing a way to effectively counter the bandwidth cost. It's still there, you now need to pay to download it.

Think about it this way. Railworks has down loadable content and it for the most part will cost you 20 US dollars for each download of any piece of content. You could literally spend $100's of US dollars on downloading RailWork content that would be the equivalent of a single First Class Ticket for Trainz.

The only aspect that I don't like about this decision is that for years content creators have created and uploaded to the DLS with the idea that it would be a safe way to store and protect their material for the life of the product they created the content for. It appears that Auran is attempting to move players forward to some of their newer titles.

Yeah but a lot of it seems to be driven by irrational fear.

There is no logic to Auran deleting 98% of content. That should have been a red flag that would have eliminated most of the hysteria here. If you believed for one second that Auran was going to delete that much content, then you should believe that I'm an ex-Nigerian prince with $50,000,000 in the Bank of Nigeria. All I need is $5,000 from you and the rest is yours. Go ahead any buy Auran...

Now, craziness aside, as I understand it, there is/may be stricter error-checking for uploads. That's a good thing, for all Trainz users, not just 09/10.

As I understand it, you still can upload content with 04/06 version numbers, as long as that content can pass the stricter error-checking, which so much said content from the past could not. Please correct me if I'm wrong, with details of your rejected content.

Unless I am unable to do so, I am interested in backdating my creations for backwards compatibility.

 

[paulzmay]

Yeah but a lot of it seems to be driven by irrational fear.

There is no logic to Auran deleting 98% of content. That should have been a red flag that would have eliminated most of the hysteria here. If you believed for one second that Auran was going to delete that much content, then you should believe that I'm an ex-Nigerian prince with $50,000,000 in the Bank of Nigeria. All I need is $5,000 from you and the rest is yours. Go ahead any buy Auran...

Now, craziness aside, as I understand it, there is/may be stricter error-checking for uploads. That's a good thing, for all Trainz users, not just 09/10.

As I understand it, you still can upload content with 04/06 version numbers, as long as that content can pass the stricter error-checking, which so much said content from the past could not. Please correct me if I'm wrong, with details of your rejected content.

Unless I am unable to do so, I am interested in backdating my creations for backwards compatibility.

The stricter error checking has been on the DLS since shortly after TS09 was realeased. The change now is that soon the minimum build number for uploads will be 2.7 (Trainz Classics 1 & 2). Personally I can't see why builds from 1.3 to 2 couldn't be treated as if they were 2.7, but this could lead to TRS06 users getting content with features not implemented in that version, and therefore faulty. The alternative is for Auran to maintain the code for about a dozen different error checking routines (e.g. build 1.3-1.5 needs to reject ALL kuid2 references - it does at the moment).

Don't forget you can always upload to the DLS as build 2.7, and TPR (for example) as 1.3-2.6 as appropriate.

Paul

 

[Approach_Medium]

...Even though you're sitting in front of a Computer. Not nearly as much of a memorable experience in comparison to the other things you listed... :hehe:

Unless you spend that $120 on two tickets to see the NY Mets play:hehe:
I don't even watch them on TV anymore. I would rather sit in front of my computer and play Trainz, or go trackside and watch my favorite railroad "play" with its trains.

FW