I'm Done - My last say.

[RRSignal]

I am guessing that the only thing will change besides not being able to upload 04/06, will be: assets that have missing hornsounds, missing bogies, faulty tags in their config files, and typo errors, and won't work in 09/10 ...etc... will be canned.

On my TRS2006 I have over 70 Gb of assets, and a huge portion of the list have multple faulty assets, missing bogies and hornsounds, and their config files have parts that are no longer available anywhere on the DLS or elsewhere, and the typos are atrocious ... sloppyness

I think Auran may try to fix these, actually, at least what is fixable. Truly broken assets are pretty few and far between, from what I've seen.

 

[Mike10]

But anyway Auran is an Australian company (I wonder if their games are made in China!!), so they should be supporting their products games seven years from when they come out. What I mean here is that parts should be available for seven years from when a products comes out.)

And also when I brought both UTC & TRS2004 (#), the game stated unlimited free downloads included. Wether people like it or not, paying for downloads of 100MB or more is NOT getting unlimited downloads. See below:

“The team at Auran wish to thank you for purchasing this evolutionary product and we trust you will not only enjoy what's in the box, but that you will also join the rapidly growing online Trainz community [by that they mean the Auran Trainz forums at their site] to expand and enhance your experience. Here you are able to download new content for free, share your creations and ideas

One their TRS2004 version:
Wether people like or not, paying for amounts for 100MB or more is NOT getting downloads included at no extra cost.

I know you are the self appointed forum lawyer, but where does it say how much you can download for free? It seems to me that providing one item of content at 0.00000001 kbps would cover their side on that quote of yours.

Oh, and as for 'parts'. I'm sure if any of the physical parts of your Trainz package broke that Auran would be capable of replacing it.

Mike.

 

[Mike10]

1. People will not be able to download items that could be used or installed in TRS2009 without fault and some in TRS2010 also.

So it won't be possible to download broken content (well, the newly uploaded stuff anyway, some of the old garbage from UTC and TS2004 will still be there).... a good thing surely overall.

2. The only content that can be used now is the items installed in the newest versions 09 and 10. Most items made or created for these two revisions were made by outside parties. Or 3rd party creators that came forwarded and have made items for 09. right or wrong.

The only content that can be uploaded now is the items created to the error checking standards of the newest versions 09 and 10. (and TC3 BTW)

3. So what I see here is this, you will not be able to get content anymore? yes or no, or only for 09 and 10.

You will be able to get content for whatever you want, as long as you have a 'supported product' registered (ie. Classics or later), or have purchased an FCT

4. You will have to buy 09 or 10 if you want to stay with trainz. Creators who will freely make content will have to learn scripted code or program code to make there content work. without no CCG to go by or any written examples to reference.

As long as your content passes the error checking you can upload from any version with a valid build number in the config file.
Not all content has to be scripted, have normal maps etc etc. you can still make content in the 'old style, just not with errors in it.
The CCG is still valid for 90% of cases, and the Wiki covers the rest. CM will tell you what the errors are.

5. We have 3 new revisions out 09 and two for 2010 Trainz. There is very little or new content for these items ? why should people make free content for these, when they see there past free content turn into vaporware.

Because a lot of the old stuff works fine in them and people put the build number for the earliest versions it works in. If they create a building that uses none of the advance features they put a build 1.3 in it so everyone can use it. It doesn't mean it is not new, just that it isn't limited to the latest versions


Seriously, this isn't the end of the world.

Mike.

 

[robogo]

Red_Rattler - problem is, aparently they are not making any real money, even bigger problem is they do not have much real content to sell, but they have a grant scheme, sell ................................. and call it a FCT.

alanti, RRSignal - My PC is also my FM, TV, Home Cinema, Sound System, Closed Circuit Security System, Reminder and one of the the Platforms I use to earn my daily bread, and let us not forget what it is that make all of THIS possible.

A computer that is only used for playing games is called a Console.

Lou_T - thing is Auran's DLS(Ford spares bin) is still full of content(Sierra spares) specially created for Trainz 04(Sierra 2L) and Trainz 06(Sierra 3L), but they will not make this 04 and 06 content(Sierra spares) available to me anymore, only to people who drive the Fiesta and Focus.

 

[RRSignal]

Because a lot of the old stuff works fine in them and people put the build number for the earliest versions it works in. If they create a building that uses none of the advance features they put a build 1.3 in it so everyone can use it. It doesn't mean it is not new, just that it isn't limited to the latest versions

That was exactly my plan once I'm up to speed with Blender.

 

[leeferr]

Because a lot of the old stuff works fine in them and people put the build number for the earliest versions it works in. If they create a building that uses none of the advance features they put a build 1.3 in it so everyone can use it. It doesn't mean it is not new, just that it isn't limited to the latest versions

This was certainly true in the past, but as I understand it, we won't be able to upload unless the content has the build number of a supported version. A piece of content with a build number of 1.3 won't be able to be uploaded, even if it is 100% error free. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Mike

 

[paulhobbs]

This was certainly true in the past, but as I understand it, we won't be able to upload unless the content has the build number of a supported version. A piece of content with a build number of 1.3 won't be able to be uploaded, even if it is 100% error free. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Mike

I think you are correct on this.

Paul

 

[leeferr]

I think you are correct on this.

Paul

Thanks for the reply Paul.
Mike

 

[Mike10]

This was certainly true in the past, but as I understand it, we won't be able to upload unless the content has the build number of a supported version. A piece of content with a build number of 1.3 won't be able to be uploaded, even if it is 100% error free. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Mike

My fault for not being clear.

My point is that in the past people have done this to make content more widely available. This leads to the "there's no new content for TS2009/TS2010" statements, which are not true. It is this point I was trying to address.

Whether that will continue to be the case, and my thought is that it will not, is something different.

Mike.

 

[robogo]

O-K, whe are in the 11th hour now, thanx to every body that listened to my rambling, and all who participated in this discussion. A special thank you to the moderators who allowed this to go on and on for one more time. Let us now consider this Thread...., well unsupported, closed.

Tomorrow is the beginning for all things new and fresh, for us in the Southern Hemisphere at least, it is the beginning of Spring.

 

[SUBWAY125]

FCT do count towards trainz!

I have just completed my last downloads from the DLS, some of the Work Cars by bendorsey and the D&RG 2-6-0 and Rolling Stock by elvenor. I am really glad that I got on the wagon in time, over the past months I have managed to collect 20 Gb of the finest Content available.

This whole Trainz thing is a grand experience, my biggest THANK YOU to ALL who made this possible.

Now for the sad part (and my last say on this subject), I will not get a FCT, charging for bandwith should be a crime against humanity. While most regard the price of a FCT as a minimal fee, where I come from it is enough to feed a family for a month, send a child to school for a year and the price I pay for every 1 Gb that I have the privelage to download from the internet.

Besides, do you know of any other Gaming Co. that charges a premium for bandwith?

What will happen in about 24 hours of time is not Auran stopping to support a product, they have stopped support for TRS06 and later quite a while back. Nobody expects them to keep on supporting these products, to keep on fixing and improving them, they expected that from TRS09 and 10.

No, what Auran is doing is refusing a service which they promised in kind, refusing Content which was build for these very titles, unless of corse you pay for it. I hope that in the final moments they will come to their senses and make a plan to keep this Content available, for free, for future generations of Trainz People.

If you don't pay, there won't be a TS2011, the anniversery of trainz!

 

[pensfan17]

Bye, Robogo.

 

[seniorchief]

So it won't be possible to download broken content (well, the newly uploaded stuff anyway, some of the old garbage from UTC and TS2004 will still be there).... a good thing surely overall.



The only content that can be uploaded now is the items created to the error checking standards of the newest versions 09 and 10. (and TC3 BTW)



You will be able to get content for whatever you want, as long as you have a 'supported product' registered (ie. Classics or later), or have purchased an FCT



As long as your content passes the error checking you can upload from any version with a valid build number in the config file.
Not all content has to be scripted, have normal maps etc etc. you can still make content in the 'old style, just not with errors in it.
The CCG is still valid for 90% of cases, and the Wiki covers the rest. CM will tell you what the errors are.



Because a lot of the old stuff works fine in them and people put the build number for the earliest versions it works in. If they create a building that uses none of the advance features they put a build 1.3 in it so everyone can use it. It doesn't mean it is not new, just that it isn't limited to the latest versions


Seriously, this isn't the end of the world.

Mike.

Thank You Mike for the answers on these questions.

Damon(The Rocker):wave:

 

[robogo]

(This is not really me replying) robogo is not leaving Trainz, but he is done with discussing this particular issue. He is moving forward, anticipating the next release.

 

[clack45]

Still downloading for free

Its now Sun 5 September, and I'm still able to download assets for free using 'Trainz Downloader Pro'.
At a snails pace of course, with Auran's setting of dial-up speed in place.

 

[falcon500]

Trainz discs may well be made in China or some other low wage country. The discs that arrived when I pre-ordered TS2010 have some sort of cheap shiny label that is now starting to peel off, making them fairly much unusable.

 

[BLACKWATCH]

Falcon, you should be entitled to a free replacement from Auran, as that disc was obviously of inferior quality, it should still be within it's 12 month warranty period.

 

[Approach_Medium]

I don't see what all the fuss is about having to pay a nominal fee for an FCT to continue using DLS for the older versions. I am playing TS2010, and still bought my 1yr FCT because I just cannot stand the painfully slow speed without it. I don't consider the cost of the FCT an issue.

As for the continued free support of the game; Do you expect your car dealer to continue to provide free service for your old car? You buy an extended warranty, which costs a fortune, but when it's done, you're on your own, or go out and buy another bran-new car and start the cycle all over again.

I have been unemployed for a long time and living off my savings account, and still find the money to purchase a new version of Trainz, and the FCT.
It's all in what your priorities are.
Auran's priorities are making money, and providing a good entertainment value, in that order. It's capitalism; plain and simple. Trainz is by far my best entertainment for the buck.

FW

 

[RRSignal]

I don't see what all the fuss is about having to pay a nominal fee for an FCT to continue using DLS for the older versions. I am playing TS2010, and still bought my 1yr FCT because I just cannot stand the painfully slow speed without it. I don't consider the cost of the FCT an issue.

As for the continued free support of the game; Do you expect your car dealer to continue to provide free service for your old car? You buy an extended warranty, which costs a fortune, but when it's done, you're on your own, or go out and buy another bran-new car and start the cycle all over again.

I have been unemployed for a long time and living off my savings account, and still find the money to purchase a new version of Trainz, and the FCT.
It's all in what your priorities are.
Auran's priorities are making money, and providing a good entertainment value, in that order. It's capitalism; plain and simple. Trainz is by far my best entertainment for the buck.

FW

Really! The amount of whining I hear is aggravating. That's exactly the point I keep telling people. I've probably already gotten 1000 hours out of Trainz. I've probably spent about $120.00 on the game and addons. That's 12 cents an hour.

$120 might buy you two tickets to a minor league game. Or maybe a B-list concert. And I could blow $120 in a nightclub real easy. All that for just a few hours entertainment, versus the thousand or thousands of hours of enjoyment I get out of this game.

 

[Grant_Mo_Miles]

Well after reading all this I think I have an understanding of what is going on. The Content DLS for previous versions of TRAINZ 04-06 is being removed from there free download options and are now only accessible if you purchase a First Class Ticket. I do not see all that much of a problem with this. Auran has supported their DLS longer than most other companies support products of past production. They are not deleting their content; just providing a way to effectively counter the bandwidth cost. It's still there, you now need to pay to download it.

Think about it this way. Railworks has down loadable content and it for the most part will cost you 20 US dollars for each download of any piece of content. You could literally spend $100's of US dollars on downloading RailWork content that would be the equivalent of a single First Class Ticket for Trainz.

The only aspect that I don't like about this decision is that for years content creators have created and uploaded to the DLS with the idea that it would be a safe way to store and protect their material for the life of the product they created the content for. It appears that Auran is attempting to move players forward to some of their newer titles.