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Alco_P-A

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Ok all of you PC Geeks out there i'm putting this question to you. I'm looking at a New Desktop computer to run my Trainz 2012 on with No problems. This will be a out the box system. No cheap stuff for Trainz. Want a great system if theres any out there. All info greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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There are plenty of desktops at big box stores (@ $600 +) that have a 1-2Gb dedicated graphics video card, the heart of gaming.

Just say:
No Dell
No Lynix
No Mac
 
Do you know what the physical size of that computer is?
I'm limited as to where I can put it as far as space is concerned.
I've been doing some searching but haven't been able to find it.


Height: 17.75"
Depth: 19.25"
Width: 8.27"


From the builder's website.
 
Thanks.
Two or three inches deeper that I would like but it might work.
It would slide into a compartment at the bottom of my computer desk.
That measures 20'' high by 10 3/4" wide by 19" inches deep. Ventilation at the rear would be a problem.
 
Not being able to vent properly or insufficiently, with it being in a semi enclosed or enclosed space like that, can cause serious issues and concerns depending on the exact hardware that is inside.
IF you want a serious gaming computer it can put off a lot of heat, but if it is out in the open, with plenty of case fans in a push pull configuration you would be fine as it would keep temps level and cool(Jut gotta clean it regularly of dust!), unless you went with water cooling then tucking it away most likely wouldn't have a massive impact, only would be a pain to refill the reservoir when needed.

However I do understand space issues, everyone has a different life and life style. But it is just something to think about. But usually if you buy from say Best Buy or any other big box store the computers will not run as warm as a build it yourself computer, for the mere fact that pre-built systems don't use all super high end components. They may use 1 or 2 then the rest they skimp on. While custom built machines have all high end components...

I would go with a custom built computer you build for yourself or go to a computer repair shop and see if they could build you a computer to fit your needs and budget. Just stuff to think about and my 2 cents.

Take Care!
 
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My suggestion is for building your own everytime - here's my suggestions.

Firstly - decide on the processor/motherboard combination you want. Don't worry about the 'on board graphics' as you'll want to get a separate one. Look over lots of reviews and make a decision. You may want to replace the stock CPU cooling fan with something better - if you do make sure it'll fit in the case and also that it won't overstress your motherboard.

From there look at memory - the more the better BUT ensure you get matched memory (ie the same) and ensure that when you set it up that if the BIOS can take ganged/linked etc you choose the best setup for your processor.

Video card is next thing to look at - don't do what an 'IT expert' did once and get the best video card around and not check if it would work in his computer (and then ask me). The more memory is generally better but look at the all round abilities and of course - read plenty of reviews. Make sure you get a monitor that will work with the video card (most will but double check).

As others have posted - cooling is paramount. One the most overlooked things on heat is the PSU. Make sure you get a PSU that will take the load you will put on the computer. Don't, however get a huge supply that has way too much capacity for your setup. If you have a 1000W supply and only use (at max) 700W then that extra 300W goes all to heat. So, find out how much power they all draw (at max load) and work from there (there are calculators out there on the web that help).

Finally - once you have built your machine, installed the OS and all the drivers - if it is a Windows machine then download and run the PC decrapifier ( http://pcdecrapifier.com/ ). That will ensure that the really annoying stuff some drivers install can be removed etc (as well as some annoyingly useless windows stuff too). It's better used on a 'shop bought' computer but still is useful on a home built one.

Anyway, that's my few pence worth of suggestions.
 
As others have posted - cooling is paramount. One the most overlooked things on heat is the PSU. Make sure you get a PSU that will take the load you will put on the computer. Don't, however get a huge supply that has way too much capacity for your setup. If you have a 1000W supply and only use (at max) 700W then that extra 300W goes all to heat. So, find out how much power they all draw (at max load) and work from there (there are calculators out there on the web that help).

It's much, much, much, much, much better to get a power supply that is capable of delivering too much power than not enough. It's extremely common, especially with cheap PSUs (although I've found some name-brand ones aren't so great either) to deliver far less than rated power. Usually, when you discover your PSU isn't up to par, it's only after it has quietly done a large amount of damage. That aside, while calculators are a good guide (I use the Outervision one myself), I consider at least 50%, if not 100% over their "recommended" rating to be the minimum one should use for a performance system.
 
I'm no electrician, but...

Doesn't an electrical appliance only draw the power it requires? I am aware of "vampire" situations as they relate to chargers and appliances that require "Instant on", but otherwise...?:confused:
 
Doesn't an electrical appliance only draw the power it requires? I am aware of "vampire" situations as they relate to chargers and appliances that require "Instant on", but otherwise...?:confused:

Yes, they only draw what is required but the ratings on cheap supplies are often exaggerated. Or due to cheap components / bad construction they blow up or burn out when used at their supposed rating.

Plus you need to take into consideration the total power requirements including processor, motherboard, disk drives, usb devices and that there is enough amperage available for the + and - 5volt and 12 volt rails, it's quite possible to have a power supply with a total rating that is apparently sufficient in total but under on the 12 volt rail.
 
RRSignal - yes you get a power supply that had a higher rating than what you are pulling - but not too much. My current setup runs about 680W at max. My PSU is 700W. I plan some upgrades on it soon but when I do I will be upgrading my PSU. My point is that you need to look at it and ensure you don't overdo it - I have seen computers and other equipment that has been killed by either too low a PSU or a too high rated PSU.

Euphod - in general power supplies will output the power the machine it's attached to requires. The rest of the power is 'wasted' by heat. Often it doesn't matter too much BUT if you run a 1000W PSU on a max 700W device then 300W is wasted. Running at such a lower load invariably creates extra heat and does lower the life of the PSU.

For the record - I have several years worth of experience as an electrical tester and have a large amount of electrical experience from knowledgeable people in both the computer (as well as my 15+ years in IT) and electrical fields.
 
@madclarinet:
In your 1000W PSU example, if the maximum load is 700W, then you are right that the 300W extra capability is being 'wasted'
(that doesn't mean that your system will be using 1000W, of course!)

Strange as it sounds, a larger PSU often runs cooler (and more efficiently) when running at (say) 60% capacity, as you do not have to run blowers etc. in order to cool it.

Often, that is reflected on the noise generated in the PSU. So, noise-sensitive people will do well to invest in larger PSUs (and good CPU/GPU coolers, but that's another story)

N.F.
 
Let's get a little specific here, just my opinion so listen to others and do your own research too..

Motherboard should be socket 1155, that way you can start with an extremely capable quad core such as my i5 760 2.8ghz BUT you can slot in an i7 somewhere down the track.
Make sure it has 4 ram slots for maximum memory upgradeablility.
USB 3 is cool, (charge USB3 devices), as is provision for external sata 3 connectivity.
PCIe 2.1 spec is most desirable for a graphics card which should have a minimum of 1gb of ram onboard. I don't buy into the half a dozen graphics cards scenario, (xfire/SLI).
I usually use power supplies of 700 watts for this type of system.

The case, (mid tower in your situation it would seem), must have adequate airflow. You may even consider modifying your PC bench to ensure proper airflow depending on the case. No one will see a hole you have cut in the side or rear for example.

Two sata optical drives is always a deluxe feature to have, spoil yourself :)

I built a system like this for a very good friend and his family, (wife & 2 teen daughters). They waited until they had the cash spare and we pounced and built it. Apart from them being amazed at its capabilities, everytime I go to visit, their system is buried in portable device usb cables and looks like an octopus. Once the girls found out it could charge mobile devices via USB3, lol, its seach for the deluxe tower itself lmaooo.
Poor mum and dad don't even get a look in as far as using this hotrod is concerned. If we had thought a bit more about it we would have built 2, one for the girls and one for mum and dad ;)
 
Well, if I can put an opinion here (aren't we all? :-) ), my ideal Trainz machine would be:

Intel-based motherboard (Z68 chipset), select one that can accept the Ivy Bridge that are coming in 2012
Intel 2500K CPU (or, if you have money to waste, a 2600K)
4 GB RAM (or even 8) in two of the four memory slots, ideally 1600 MHz
(the above pre-supposes Windows7 64-bit)
USB 3.0 is nice to have
graphics card, I would start with an Nvidia 560Ti (I prefer Nvidia due to better Linux support)
Power supply: depends if you plan on using SLI (dual graphics card). For a single-card set-up, even a 550W PSU is enough.
Hard disks: if I had spare money, I would like to have a SATA RAID0 set-up, for higher speed while reading routes.

Cheers,
N.F.
 
Building your own computer is the way to. Just be ready to put in the time. NewEgg actually has videos on how to build your own PC. Also Hardware revolution, Pcper Hardware leaderboard, and Overclockers.com are good websites as well. You don't have to use the exact model these guys recommend but it gives you a general Idea. If your going to be using Windows mostly I would go for the AMD Radeon 9650. One preferably with a Life time Warranty

Good LUck!

NOTE:: Make sure you get a Case with removable hard drive cages. Some of todays graphic cards are extremely long. Luckily the Hard drive cage was removable.
 
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Building your own computer is the way to. Just be ready to put in the time. NewEgg actually has videos on how to build your own PC. Also Hardware revolution, Pcper, and Overclockers.com are good websites. You don't have to use the exact model these guys recommend but it gives you a general Idea.

Good LUck!
 
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