Dinorius_Redundicus
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Maybe now even more resources can be devoted to the only software that really matters.
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Fury dead: Long Live Trainz!
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Captain_Collins
Clovis Sub Fan
Strange that Mr. Hilliam did not want to have his name on the press release, don't you think?
It's too bad that too much time, effort, and money went into developing this product when the resources could have been used towards bug-fixes in Trainz.
While we were complaining about bugs and other major issue with TRS2006, they were dumping th majority of their resources into Fury. Granted SP1 came out, but that was a minimal effort IMO to appease the masses where most of their bread was earned, and then not all of the major bugs were fixed in this release. The Classics series was/is nothing more than a skimp-along to keep the eyes on the product until something else came along.
Now with Fury gone, the resources are dumped back to where the bread was earned in the first place, and in an area that they did their best. Hopefully this isn't too liitle and too late to save the Trainz product line as well as their repuation.
Sorry if this sounds negative, but it's true I worked for a company that did this. By the time they returned to their bread and butter product, it was too late and they lost their market lead.
John
While we were complaining about bugs and other major issue with TRS2006, they were dumping th majority of their resources into Fury. Granted SP1 came out, but that was a minimal effort IMO to appease the masses where most of their bread was earned, and then not all of the major bugs were fixed in this release. The Classics series was/is nothing more than a skimp-along to keep the eyes on the product until something else came along.
Now with Fury gone, the resources are dumped back to where the bread was earned in the first place, and in an area that they did their best. Hopefully this isn't too liitle and too late to save the Trainz product line as well as their repuation.
Sorry if this sounds negative, but it's true I worked for a company that did this. By the time they returned to their bread and butter product, it was too late and they lost their market lead.
John
Captain_Collins
Clovis Sub Fan
Why bite the hand that feeds you?
amigacooke
Well-known member
Are you really sure of your facts here? Do Auran fund different projects seperately or does all the money come out of the same pot? Are you really sure or is this speculation?
Amiga, I know what you're saying, and maybe the person you're replying to is assuming that the money comes from the same pot (I'll assume it doesn't), but certain things are evident in the shifts of focus that have gone on around here for the last couple of years.
When the Holy Grail that is/was Fury was being worked on, the Auran team gradually lost almost all contact with the Trainz forums.
Seriously, you couldn't have a got a reply even if you said you had a crate of vegemite waiting here for them.
Now that Fury has gone belly up, we suddenly see an Auran presence on the forums that I can only remember being matched around the time of TRS2004!
The Fury crowd have had months of trying to contact people from Auran on the Fury forums, with very few replies (I know, I've been watching), which everybody should be familiar with around here until recently, and then they get the news that it's all over, and that the forums and website will close.
Let's not kid ourselves that the new confidence in Trainz has anything to do with loyalty to the Trainz crowd by Auran.
Investors will pretty much call the shots, after all, it's their money, and I suspect that most of them have no interest in Trainz other than from a financial perspective.
If something comes along that will net them a better return on their investment, then Trainz will go the way Fury has, and it won't be decided, in the first instance, by anyone at Auran.
I don't want Trainz to stop, but it's pretty clear to me that TRS2009/X is the one that must break the market, and nobody should be under any illusion that the same sword that fell on Fury isn't swinging precariously above the head of Trainz (or any other investment for that matter).
Not cynical or pessimistic.
Just realistic.
Now I'm going off to have a quick game of Fury, and then.....oh....right.
Smiley.
When the Holy Grail that is/was Fury was being worked on, the Auran team gradually lost almost all contact with the Trainz forums.
Seriously, you couldn't have a got a reply even if you said you had a crate of vegemite waiting here for them.
Now that Fury has gone belly up, we suddenly see an Auran presence on the forums that I can only remember being matched around the time of TRS2004!
The Fury crowd have had months of trying to contact people from Auran on the Fury forums, with very few replies (I know, I've been watching), which everybody should be familiar with around here until recently, and then they get the news that it's all over, and that the forums and website will close.
Let's not kid ourselves that the new confidence in Trainz has anything to do with loyalty to the Trainz crowd by Auran.
Investors will pretty much call the shots, after all, it's their money, and I suspect that most of them have no interest in Trainz other than from a financial perspective.
If something comes along that will net them a better return on their investment, then Trainz will go the way Fury has, and it won't be decided, in the first instance, by anyone at Auran.
I don't want Trainz to stop, but it's pretty clear to me that TRS2009/X is the one that must break the market, and nobody should be under any illusion that the same sword that fell on Fury isn't swinging precariously above the head of Trainz (or any other investment for that matter).
Not cynical or pessimistic.
Just realistic.
Now I'm going off to have a quick game of Fury, and then.....oh....right.
Smiley.
Who thought that an RPG about people running around in animal suits pretending to be anamorphic animals would be interesting in the first place? Don't they already have chatrooms online for that?
You're thinking of "Furry"....this is about "Fury"!
Amiga, I know what you're saying, and maybe the person you're replying to is assuming that the money comes from the same pot (I'll assume it doesn't), but certain things are evident in the shifts of focus that have gone on around here for the last couple of years.
When the Holy Grail that is/was Fury was being worked on, the Auran team gradually lost almost all contact with the Trainz forums.
Seriously, you couldn't have a got a reply even if you said you had a crate of vegemite waiting here for them.
Now that Fury has gone belly up, we suddenly see an Auran presence on the forums that I can only remember being matched around the time of TRS2004!
The Fury crowd have had months of trying to contact people from Auran on the Fury forums, with very few replies (I know, I've been watching), which everybody should be familiar with around here until recently, and then they get the news that it's all over, and that the forums and website will close.
Let's not kid ourselves that the new confidence in Trainz has anything to do with loyalty to the Trainz crowd by Auran.
Investors will pretty much call the shots, after all, it's their money, and I suspect that most of them have no interest in Trainz other than from a financial perspective.
If something comes along that will net them a better return on their investment, then Trainz will go the way Fury has, and it won't be decided, in the first instance, by anyone at Auran.
I don't want Trainz to stop, but it's pretty clear to me that TRS2009/X is the one that must break the market, and nobody should be under any illusion that the same sword that fell on Fury isn't swinging precariously above the head of Trainz (or any other investment for that matter).
Not cynical or pessimistic.
Just realistic.
Now I'm going off to have a quick game of Fury, and then.....oh....right.
Smiley.
B. has a point ... it's so true ... no need to say more!!:wave:
amigacooke
Well-known member
What is your definition of 'breaking the market'? Seems like more speculation dressed as fact.
There's never been any shortage of those predicting the possible downfall of Trainz (normally for not following their particular model of what a train sim should be). Sooner or later, because of persistance is nothing else, one of the predictions will come true.
However, until that time I'll enjoy the ride.
perry_weekley
New member
Fury, I remember hearing about that once upon a time. Sadly it wasn't my cup of tea. Many people are suggesting dooms day and I sadly agree. Trainz isn't in the Mainline media. If Trainz was mainline media then Auran would be more popular for their game. Don't kid yourself Trainz 2009 and 2010 might be the last Trainz in the series unless it becomes mainline media.
Auran staff members please don't come in here and tell me that Trainz will always be here. Disney did that with me for my favorite game then it shut down 4 months later and thousands players lost the Virtual Magic Kingdom that had become their home.
Now that I've said that I'm gonna go back to watching my favorite freeware Trainz Content.
Auran staff members please don't come in here and tell me that Trainz will always be here. Disney did that with me for my favorite game then it shut down 4 months later and thousands players lost the Virtual Magic Kingdom that had become their home.
Now that I've said that I'm gonna go back to watching my favorite freeware Trainz Content.
It's irrelevant what my definition of "breaking the market" is, and it's odd that you think that it matters.
It's obvious what point I was making, and that the only people whose definition of "breaking the market" that matters are those that invest in the money in the software production.
No point in me saying how many copies of the game have to be sold to "break the market", as that would be speculation dressed as fact.
Well I've re-read my post, and I don't see any examples of me saying anything about Trainz not being what I want it to be, or predicting it's downfall.
I merely pointed out that, unless Auran have become a charity recently, the game will have to "break the market" or the investors may look elsewhere, which is simple business sense.
You've only got to look at Fury for a perfect example of cutting their losses.
Tony has already said on the Dev forum that Auran has switched pretty much all their focus on Trainz, which is something I don't remember happening before.
While Trainz was a side project for Auran (paraphrasing their own words over the years), there was also more room for failure, but as I see it, if they've made it their main interest then it has to succeed or else.
From this, we can safely assume that more funds have been allocated to Trainz for this venture than ever before.
Do you not agree?
My opinion, based on comments made by Auran employees and events over the last 2 years or so.
With your mindset, I could call that comment negative, and say that you are predicting the downfall of Trainz by saying that.
Again, implication that I'd said something to the contrary.However, until that time I'll enjoy the ride.
I can't see where I've said that I'm not enjoying the ride.
In fact, I've just embarked on the biggest project I've ever done in Trainz, as well as investing in TransDem so that I can get accurate terrain and building placement for the project.
In fact, the project was going to be submitted for consideration for TRS2009 before the release schedule was announced, and it became obvious that it wasn't going to be possible in that time-frame.
I'm even considering updating it to TRS2009 specs when it's complete, if the benefits of doing so are worth it.
Does any of that sound like I've given up on Trainz?
You've mistaken a realistic view on business models and recent events, with someone who wants to bring the game down.
I honestly can't see how you get from one to the other, but I guess that's what you get if you persist on trying to "read between the lines", even when there's nothing there.
Maybe you're just one of those people who think Auran shouldn't be criticised for anything, even if it's in an adult and sensible way.
Whatever floats your boat.
Smiley.
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What I don't get here is all the 'dumping' on Auran over Fury, yes it failed, as do a lot of ventures in the business world, but would all of the crybabies be complaining if it had taken off and raked in millions, and Auran piled a lot of it into Trainz ??
How many of you are willing to invest money into Trainz on a profit sharing basis, no profit, no return because that is what Auran are doing, so let them do it.
Cheers David
How many of you are willing to invest money into Trainz on a profit sharing basis, no profit, no return
because that is what Auran are doing, so let them do it.Cheers David
David,
Unless all my years in accounting were for nothing, if Fury 'raked in millions', Trainz would be 'dumped' by Auran quicker than a crybaby could spit a pacifier !
My thoughts ---,dave
...what's all the hubbub...bub...
Who's to say Fury didn't rake in millions?
And, like all other fickled kids, the clientele, dis-appeared in a sudden X-play?
Right now, the going thing, is Comic-Con...
First it was the Simpson's, then Futurama...now it's Family Guy...a downward spiral no game can compete with...
The only consistent thing I see, is Trainz...and if you want me to believe that TRS2009 just fell of the turnip wagon yesterday at 7AM, your crazy...
Down with all the fatalistic humdrum, that borders on trolling!
Just announce, the next two versions of TRS, will be a two part story...and watch the whiners complain over two purchases, one of either for most won't be needed anyway...but buying both, will help greatly, for the future of Trainz...that's how the business works!
Just like the flaming over someone else's Fury, before the end result was even known.
I know who the Boss Is!
TRS RULES!
Who's to say Fury didn't rake in millions?And, like all other fickled kids, the clientele, dis-appeared in a sudden X-play?
Right now, the going thing, is Comic-Con...
First it was the Simpson's, then Futurama...now it's Family Guy...a downward spiral no game can compete with...
The only consistent thing I see, is Trainz...and if you want me to believe that TRS2009 just fell of the turnip wagon yesterday at 7AM, your crazy...
Down with all the fatalistic humdrum, that borders on trolling!
Just announce, the next two versions of TRS, will be a two part story...and watch the whiners complain over two purchases, one of either for most won't be needed anyway...but buying both, will help greatly, for the future of Trainz...that's how the business works!
Just like the flaming over someone else's Fury, before the end result was even known.
I know who the Boss Is!
TRS RULES!
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WestSideRailways
Active member
What I don't get here is all the 'dumping' on Auran over Fury, yes it failed, as do a lot of ventures in the business world, but would all of the crybabies be complaining if it had taken off and raked in millions, and Auran piled a lot of it into Trainz ??
How many of you are willing to invest money into Trainz on a profit sharing basis, no profit, no return
Cheers David
Well said David,:wave: how are you, long time no see.:hehe:
I for one , have every version of Trainz (except the TC) and will be getting TS2009. Which means i am supporting Trainz,Auran.
I hope it keeps going on for a long time.....
I have said this before and will say it again, Trainz has been the ONLY sim type program that has kept my intrest for these many years that Trainz has been going for.
All other sims have come and gone, only keeping my intrest for a very short time.
amigacooke
Well-known member
I think you are reading too much into what I wrote. My particular beef is that speculation is so often presented as fact. Will Auran go down if Trainz doesn't 'break the market'? I don't know and I suspect you don't know either.
However, if you have a secret contact at Auran feeding you the required info, obviously I'll eat humble pie (again).
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I think most of us have been at this so long we will take any opportunity to comment on anything just to hear ourselves type. There is rarely any interesting exchange of ideas any more, just a hundred threads asking questions we are all sick of answering. When we get the chance to stretch our intellect a bit, we often over extend ourselves.
At least, I do!
At least, I do!