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Regarding The Forbidden Alternative.

Zec, your closing of this Thread only affirms that you do not want alternatives to the DLS discussed. I admitted that I made mistakes and I said that I wanted to make it right. I also put it very clearly, more than once, that I do not support sites that are non legitimate.

Why do you only mention the well known English sites, and not the non English sites from which the routes that I mentioned were downloaded.

Please supply the link that you mention for the discussion in the Russian forum.

You should have left the threat open so that we could have discussed the issue, which is alternatives to the DLS.
 
Regarding The Forbidden Alternative.

Zec, your closing of this Thread only affirms that you do not want alternatives to the DLS discussed.

No. Zec made it very clear why the previous thread was closed - because there is every suggestion that you are discussing piracy, and that is a clear breach of our forum code of conduct.

So far every thread you have started on this topic is deliberately provocative and raises the suggestion of piracy. I would strongly suggest that you avoid such behaviour in the future or you will likely face a permanent forum ban.


Why do you only mention the well known English sites, and not the non English sites from which the routes that I mentioned were downloaded.

Probably because he only speaks English.


You should have left the threat open so that we could have discussed the issue, which is alternatives to the DLS.

You are welcome to discuss alternative content sites, but any further suggestion of piracy (explicit or implied) or any further baiting of the moderators or other forum members will likely be met with a ban.

You have been warned. Hopefully you can take this on board and further discussion will be friendly and constructive.

kind regards,

chris
 
Good Evening Robogo
First, I apologise for a typo in my reply to your thread. It was meant to read "replies are really not constructive on this", I have now updated the post to reflect this. As in my reply, the non constructive nature of your posts is the reason for it being closed. Note, the thread was not removed, simply closed to prevent further degeneration of the topic into a flame war.

In regards to listing English sites, I listed sites that I knew, as was stated in the list when I said " to name a few that I know". It was not a comprehensive list of legitimate 3rd party websites, nor should it be read as such. It was simply a list of examples that I personally knew about.

You have never actually stated the websites from which you downloaded these items. In reality saying "search for them yourself" does make them sound non-legitimate. It's not to say they aren't legitimate, just that it sounds non legitimate, which is what I was saying in my reply.

As in my original reply:
Your original post seemed to read as if you were suggesting that users make use of non legitimate 3rd party websites.

The 'hush hush' manner in which you're posts were written also increased the feeling that you wanted users to make use of non legitimate websites (particularly your unwillingness to share website links).

Please read the above fully, and you will hopefully understand why you have received the replies/messages that you have regarding this.

For the link to the thread, simply do a search for my username ( Zec Murphy ) with only the Russian forum selected. Or follow the following link: http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=58572

There's about 5 pages, and you will need to use a translator if you are unable to read the language in the posts.

Saying things like "there are websites that can be found via google that have many popular routes, with all dependencies, for download" is not really a good way of saying it. The 'popular routes' could mean a payware route, or a route that was on the DLS, including dependencies that may be payware. Or it could mean, as in your thread, popular European routes that are only available from that location. In the first case, it is not considered legitimate unless the creator has given permission. In the second case, this is perfectly legitimate (so long as permission has been given for all items to be hosted in the pack).

Again, I will be closing this thread. This is not to stop freespeach. It is to ensure that this does not degenerate into a flamewar, which could in fact end in users either receiving infringements, or bans.

As a warning, any further threads on this will be closed, and likely removed. If you create any further threads on this, you will receive an infringement. Please remember that you do agree to abide by the Code of Conduct by using our forums.
 
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