Fan sites instead of the DLS?

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prre6

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As most of us (if not all of us) know, the DLS is absolutly impossible to download content off of. Constant error messages, "Please try again in 10 minuets" notes, and red-highlighted items never let us download what we technically bought with the purchuse of our Trainz software. People complin constantly that they cannot access the DLS. So why not have fan sites specialzing in certain aspects of railroading (such as modern commuter trains, steam locomotives, frieght/ passenger trains, certain prototypes, etc) so we do not have to spend time searching the DLS and praying to get a connection? So until this is fixed, everyone SHUT UP about the DLS because this is stressful for the people at NV3 as it is!

Fred
 
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prre6 said:
As most of us (if not all of us) know, the DLS is absolutly impossible to download content off of. Constant error messages, "Please try again in 10 minuets" notes, and red-highlighted items never let us download what we technically bought with the purchuse of our Trainz software. People complin constantly that they cannot access the DLS. So why not have fan sites specialzing in certain aspects of railroading (such as modern commuter trains, steam locomotives, frieght/ passenger trains, certain prototypes, etc) so we do not have to spend time searching the DLS and praying to get a connection?

Fred
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There are already quite a few, they're called payware sites.

There's nothing wrong with the DLS unless of course you don't have a first-class ticket and that's not Auran/N3V's fault it's actually your fellow Trainz users who like you don't want to buy a first-class ticket beating you to the limited number of slots available.

But pray tell who are you proposing pay for the web hosting costs of these specialized fan sites?

And just for a follow-up, there are quite a few content creators who would argue with your statement "never let us download what we technically bought with the purchuse of our Trainz software." just so you're aware.
 
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Its just a suggestion because people complain about it too much for me. I don't mind waiting, its just impossible to download sometimes, but I do mind the complaining. NV3 is working hard I'm sure to fix this. So until it's fixed that is my suggestion.

Fred
 
Seems that the best Free DLS is provided by: a paid FCT, for dependable service.

The free server oftentimes has problems connecting to a free slot, for free downloading.
 
prre6 said:
Its just a suggestion because people complain about it too much for me. I don't mind waiting, its just impossible to download sometimes, but I do mind the complaining. NV3 is working hard I'm sure to fix this. So until it's fixed that is my suggestion.

Fred
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I agree about the complaining, which is why I've suggested ending free DLS access altogether, or at least make it time-limited after purchase. But scattering content on a hundred different sites is, by far, the least desirable alternative.
 
RRSignal said:
But scattering content on a hundred different sites is, by far, the least desirable alternative.
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I agree, as a long term user of MSTS. Where required downloads can be found, scattered all over the net.

The DLS might not be perfect, but it is closer to perfect. Than most other solutions.

IKB.
 
USLW, TPR, JointedRail (Freeware and payware), RRMods (Freeware and payware), Slugsmasher, all those cool European content sites........
Tons of stuff out there without needing a FCT if choose not to buy one.

I live in the sticks with dial-up internet. Just recently the local library got free high speed installed. I learned a long time ago to download a map I was interested in. If I liked it I either nibbled away at the DLS or started replacing assets with ones I already had. Out of the three FCT tickets I've had, two expired through lack of us. Just recently used one for EK3. Back in the real free DLS access, 5kbs is max with dial-up, FCT or not.

If you don't want to pay for a FCT, you don't need to. Of course, if all you do is download and run routes, it's worth it. I like to build and find there is enough content built in or I have already downloaded there's no need for the DLS for me. Once in a blue moon I'll need an item from the DLS like a horn sound. I've pretty much replaced all those with ones from JointedRail.

Plenty of excellent content out there. If you're worried about someone having to search for an asset, chances are they already have it or it's easy to point to the site to get it. No big deal if you stay with the more popular sites.

If you like to build routes, the DLS is not the be all, end all.

Dave......
 
It's not impossible to download from the DLS. I regularly download items and have met the "red bar of frustration" a few times, but compared to the volume of items downloaded, it is a piddling encounter at best.

Many third party sites are not offering payware, and payware is not the natural alternative to the DLS. Of course most payware sites also offer freeware as a loss leader.

The DLS is by no means perfect, but is not as useless as some would make it out to be either.
 
The only problrm with fan sites is who is paying for the server space. I have been caught by this a few times when I have used items on routes from 3rd party sites only to have the owner lose interest and either shut down there site or have it shut down for none payment of fees.

I now make sure that on any route I do I only use items that come from the DLS or built in trainz items. I myself have been annoyed so many times on downloading routes only to find that half the content is no longer around on the net.

The issue can also be bandwitdth restrictions, like me supplier has, on the amount of downloads they will allow from my site.
 
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with a hundred sixty some odd thousand items on the DLS, imagine how many websites we all could go to! Now that's efficiency!
 
the other problem with 3rd party websites is there is no way of validating who has a legit copy of Trainz and who doesn't so therefor the DLS provides legit owners access to the DLS while illegit users can't but on 3rd party websites they can.
 
prre6 said:
As most of us (if not all of us) know, the DLS is absolutly impossible to download content off of.

, everyone SHUT UP about the DLS because this is stressful for the people at NV3 as it is!
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:D:D

Yours truly,

Lawrence Yogi Berra


I'm the only one who can complain about the DLS and everyone else has to SHUT UP.
:D:hehe::hehe::o:hehe::hehe:
 
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Not a good idea

"As most of us (if not all of us) know, the DLS is absolutly impossible to download content off of."

An unsubstantiated and most likely incorrect assertion. Certainly not "all of us".

Based on my experience, I've got infinitely more faith in the Download Station than Third Party Sites.
 
Another common difficulty with 3rd party sites is how badly they are organized. Try to find a single missing kuid and you are often faced with sites that only list assets by name or type but not kuid, often in a foreign language, with lots of useless and distracting graphics. Or the one kuid you want is buried inside a large, multi-asset CDP or zip file that you have to download and it doesn't show up in a kuid search. For all its faults, give me the DLS anyday, the concept is right and with a cheap FCT, access is almost always there (has been for me at least).

But if people trying to use the DLS have problems with it, then they have a right to complain. There are countries where complaints are met with suppression. They are communist or fascist and generally unpleasant. Let's not go down that road with the Forum.

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philskene said:
"As most of us (if not all of us) know, the DLS is absolutly impossible to download content off of."

An unsubstantiated and most likely incorrect assertion. Certainly not "all of us".

Based on my experience, I've got infinitely more faith in the Download Station than Third Party Sites.
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It´s not about faith but quickness what users want, faith, faith for what exactly?

Depends in wich site you wanna download something, but for example, in my case (because I´m a Spaniard), I know these 3 sites to download stuff for trainz:

www.spaintrainzrutas.com // www.trensim.com // www.ibertrainz.eu

Gonna tell me you don´t have faith for example in those sites?

What I think is that, since all of those items are freeware, no problems should be given to the people... If this continues, well, I guess that creating a 3rd party site will be the solution. Maybe the author of that site could connect to some freeware creators to put their work there and download it without any problems, but always CONTACTING FIRST with the author and with IT´S PERMISSION.
 
Ok. I can see my suggestion is not favoring with people. But I was going for what American Connections said. A few sources like Train Sim.com (no one putz trainz stuff on there anymore) or trainz resources.

Fred
 
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What part of "NO" don't you understand! To use the DLS you have to pay for the newer versions and a FCT. For those of us that stayed with pre 2009, we havee to deal without the DLS and use better sources like these.
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=51054
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That's your prerogative; you take the good and bad that comes with it.

Actually, I've said before that I'm amenable to grandfathering pre-09 users, if it's feasible.
 
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