TS12 isn't the only PC version that N3V will be supporting after this September. Both Mac Trainz and Mac Trainz 2 will also be supported.
Whoopee! What's that two users per 10,000 computer owners? My best man and late best friend was a MAC freak and programmer and had to keep employment writing software for Windows apps. They were a great machine when the competition was Windows 3.1, way better through Windows 95, but have been losing ground since Windows 98 in the head to head capabilities tests. Without a large population to pay out the premo bucks they want as a composer or artist would, they only have the monied crowd and spoiled brats with parents with deep pockets as a customer base because they have a COOL rep. The average consumer has to watch his pennies a bit more wisely.
But I understand Windwalkr is a MAC freak as well... so we have TS09/MAC-1 and TS12/MAC-2, more or less. I'd have rather seen TS12-SP2 and let R&D and development funds be spent on the main market products, not the niche market. Of course, they did the whole thing on the iPad and other tablets, and writing in OSx wold have helped that. // F
No go ahead, I'm interested :hehe: It's nice to know what conspiracy mongering idiots on the internet really think they know about me
No need to snoop like that. Your track record here, obvious relative youthfulness, and generally sour answers, like Nick's unwillingness to let things go without the last word, give us pretty much all we need to know. What we say about you and a few others
off the forum is something you should contemplate and regret. But I expect most of us were nearly as cocky when we were twenty-something, just more pleasant about it. // F
It would make for a great introduction to Trainz for casual gamers or the younger demographic who may not have the means to purchase games yet. Think of it as a fully featured demo. I doubt N3V is bagging anything at all in 06 sales these days, so they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Of course, this is a totally separate discussion best picked up in a new thread. Cheerio, Nicholas
I've often thought they were foolish to not trade on the stability of the product and keep selling the older versions as starter or add ons. TRS2006 at $7.50, the TC's at $12, TS09 at $20... and so forth. Hold the TRS on the low end and let the content within be the value. Taking JAs up has some attraction--though I never have gotten back around to finding out why TS12 won't accept my TS09 JAs.
I don't like being lied to, especially when the reasons given are such obvious bullcrud, anyone with any technical background can see through them and pick them apart. I'm pretty sure most people don't like being lied to any more than I do.
Yeah, that sticks in my craw too. But the failure to set and promulgate promised features and changes in the data models and scripting capabilities far enough in advance--so the CC's can be working out how to use it, bugs me a bit more. All the proper communication needs seem to only rarely be on their radar so we hear months later from Windwakr or Moody this or that was addressed in such and such and upgrade. Or someone gripes about it again and Zec comes up and posts the news a bug is gone now.
All PR is spin, is lies at one level, and this company certainly has the marketing 'Flash' down. I guess in effect that makes me desensitized to their subterfuge here. To me, the trainz-build is
linked to compatibility and capability and so is a
tech-level minimum. But that's not how they use, at least not lately. HF4 was different enough, esp. the scripting mileau-- they should have bumped to V3.8 and didn't. // F
It was interesting, though, to see the fanboys circle the wagons as they usually do and repeat claims which few if any of them probably even understood, let alone knew about the flaws in them. I suppose it makes for an productive social experiment.
I never agreed to be part of any experiments... put THAT scalpel away Dr. Mengele! Not sure there are all that many fan boys. Nick seems to be representing an army all by himself. A number of early posters just accept it, as do most readers. amigacooke, despite all the posts is quite a bit more mature I think. Face it RRSig, the younger generation thinks anything 3 years old is old fashioned and
looks at things in a very throw-away way. I see it and get it from my two boys every week in some way. Whereas our generation grew up with things that lasted for decades--and were expected to. Someone above remarked they wouldn't keep a computer five years old, and I wouldn't get rid of one so long as it has something I want to run. That may be a teensy, tiny factor in why there are eleven of them in this house, but maybe these guys never played Privateer or other classics like Master of Orion, the Civs, etc. Ever try to run some of those on the new machines? (SimCity 3000 for example--the screen is so squirrelly you have trouble placing roads or pipes, etc.) // F
Let me just remind everybody that, even though RW is a franchise too, they offer free updates to the next version for existing customers, and they make most of their money from DLC for most of their recent versions instead of forcing people to update.
Another biz model entirely. Let's see how long they last this time. Didn't that game engine have MSTS as a grandparent? // F
Actually, IIRC, you are forced to upgrade unless you disconnect your game files from Steam to prevent any remote manipulation by them. True it keeps everyone on the same page and makes versioning simpler but at the expense of forced conformity. No thanks.
Preaching to my choir!
From what I can see, that kind of action ... Might be like N3V updating their railcar artwork under kuid:-25 and obsoleting the one's that actually look aged. Harrumph! Never seems to have occurred to them having and providing both meant they could show off their new graphic tricks and give people an appearance choice at the one and same time. Would have been darn nice to see the THEM actually use their own KUID system and issued new trucks on KUID2 upgrades. Mixing an occasional new from the factory boxcar makes realistic sense. Having a consist looking like it's just been lettered after being painted is a bit unrealistic. Give me some dirt and grime boys! These cars work for an living, not sit around sipping Margaritas at the pool! // F
Not necessarily. As a (regretful) TS2012 purchaser, as soon as TS10 exploded on me, i needed a replacement until i got TS12. I was forced to update to TS2014.
HUH!?? Did you feed it too many KUID cookies or get hit by a mini-black hole? // F
I bought TS2013 and i wasn't forced to upgrade. I am still running it, in fact, and no, it isn't TS2014, it is TS2013, so no, you aren't forced to upgrade.
Ah, a confession of another alienated soul giving in to temptation and allowing himself some time crossing over the tracks to the dark side of life! I'd thought better of you mate. Next thing you'll be ranting and kicking your feet like LWVRR ... but go ahead, I always enjoy a spectacle <BSEG> // Frank
