East coast main line
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London to York (plus branches) is one of the routes in TS2010. It's based around 1976, though, so no overhead wires for the most part... I seem to remember that there is also an ECML route on the DLS, but I can't remember who by.
Paul
p.s. The one in TS2010 is superb.
Paul
p.s. The one in TS2010 is superb.
napierdeltic
Trainz Veteran
Yes it was by puffernutter and hooverman and to around 1/2 scale in length. Both these guys are involved in the building of the full scale route in 2010. This is to be extended all the way to Edinburgh in the future.
Stuart
ECML Project leader
IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
thomasmcgowan63
New member
Why?
This seems to be a habit of train sim developers but why are you doing a historical version of this route? Personally i'd really like a modern version of the route, of course the 70's version is good because i recall (not literally though i'm only 19) it was quite an important time in Britain's railways. I'd really like to take a 225 (in GNER colours, East Coast colours suck) up the full length of the route, stopping to look round Doncaster of course, it's my home town.
This seems to be a habit of train sim developers but why are you doing a historical version of this route? Personally i'd really like a modern version of the route, of course the 70's version is good because i recall (not literally though i'm only 19) it was quite an important time in Britain's railways. I'd really like to take a 225 (in GNER colours, East Coast colours suck) up the full length of the route, stopping to look round Doncaster of course, it's my home town.
Dean_Forest
Member
It was based in '76 because the project was organised around the Deltic Preservation Society and of course Deltics are so muh more interesting than electrics.
thomasmcgowan63
New member
Ah i see, Deltics are cool. the one in the National Railway Museum has a great paint job too as i recall. I guess someone will probably make a more modern version from the one included in TRS 2010. For now i'm trying to get Trainz 2006 working on vista without much luck. Also does anyone here have problems with Aurans website being painfully slow and buggy?
napierdeltic
Trainz Veteran
The reason for around 1975 ish is that Kings Cross then was at the end of an intresting part of its history where all 3 tunnel bores were in use plus the underground service and loads of interesting locos. Infact here we are 35 years later and again a underground service is to start in a couple of years time with the new electric units on the Peterborough south coast service. Using part of the original route around Kings Cross except the new tunnel which has already been built between Gas Works and Copenhagen Tunnels. This is instead of using York road and Hotel Curve which the later is now under a new shopping area and the new entrance to Kings Cross station when finished.
When the whole ECML route is complete there could be then chance to produce two other versions. One up-to-date and the other from the steam era. I'll put you down for doing the knitting - What we call laying down 500 miles of overhead cable !! :hehe:
Stuart
Deltic Preservation Society
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Bassrockbob
New member
Has anyone done Edinburgh Waverley station? I'm specifically looking for the east end around 1960 as I'd like to model the Waverley Route,or at least the northern half, say from Melrose north.
Or has the Waverley Route been done already? (I'm new to this)
Ta.
Or has the Waverley Route been done already? (I'm new to this)
Ta.
Converting the TS2010 ECML to a modern era ECML is simple...
first, clone the route, then, find all of the goods sidings, and 95% of the carriage sidings, and remove them. (Replace Belle Isle, East Goods Yard and Holloway with blocks of ugly flats)
Then remove all of the industry along the route except for Drax
Then remove all of the junctions on york, doncaster and peterborough approaches.
Join up the 4 tracks that go to portals south of york, to doncaster approach and delete selby.
Remove all of the MPDs along the route, don't need them anymore (and most of them have closed/been-demolished/converted-for-other-stuff anyway).
Take the 4 200 mile lengths of track you now have, and replace them with track w/OHLs, place OHL posts every 50m down them.
...
Sit back and enjoy your 'travel on track 1 to next stop, wait, repeat' gameplay.
Modern ECML is so boring and useless for any kind of interesting scenarios that had the ECML guys decided to model it, most of us would probably have said 'meh' - if anything, I wish they'd modelled it 10 years earlier, with a fuller east goods yard, holloway CS and pre 'get rid of all the wagon-load yards' beeching.
IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
Yup 10 yrs earlier would have been good, but i am very happy with what we have now.
Sod modern era, don't understand the obsession with "plastic railways".
No variety, no style and no class.
IKB.
Sod modern era, don't understand the obsession with "plastic railways".
No variety, no style and no class.
IKB.
You forgot one thing5 years and 12 in a team to make it
Well, yeah, but I was meaning 'make modern ECML from the existing ECML', it doesn't take 12 people to delete 90% of the track and infrastructure
Well, yeah, but I was meaning 'make modern ECML from the existing ECML', it doesn't take 12 people to delete 90% of the track and infrastructure
Thats true, this is where layers in 2010 could come in handy, I suppose.
Wont be able to upload it to the DLs though, as its 500 megs at the moment and the limit is 50..
I've completed Edinburgh Waverley station as it was pre-rebuild in 1976 so it should be extremely close to what you're seeking. My part of ECML extends from Saughton Junction to the west of Haymarket Depot and runs on the ECML through to Oxwellmains just east of Dunbar, including the cement plant, and is now all finished.
This section also includes the entire Abbeyhill curve, traversed by many Waverley route services.
Initially my build stopped on the Waverley route at a point approximating to the current position of Brunstane Station, but I've since extended this through to Newcraighall and plan to build the huge Millerhill marshalling yards, time permitting.
Good luck with your route building, I've found my section to be an extremely interesting and rewarding project.
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For me the real strength of Trainz is in the preservation of a part of history. We can all still see what the ECML is like today by taking a trip from Edinburgh- London, but to actually show younger members what it was like 35 years ago is the reason I got involved. It's amazing just how much has changed in this time, and I'm most looking forward to the reaction of those who are familiar with the route as it is today, taking a step back into the past and viewing not just the vintage motive power but also the buildings, scenery, vehicles etc.....
Of course, to cater for the contemporary enthusiast, I'm also doing a series of reskins of the built-in HST, the GNER livery is already available on the DLS and I'm working on a Mallard set right now. I will of course eventually do the East Coast livery for completeness.
misterchugg
Active member
hi all
i have looked on the dls for the old ecml but irt will not show up for me.
could somebody please post a kuid number for me
thanks
ron
i have looked on the dls for the old ecml but irt will not show up for me.
could somebody please post a kuid number for me
thanks
ron
napierdeltic
Trainz Veteran
Id be very intrested if you fancy joing up with our section at Edinburgh. The Waverley route was a very interesting line which had its farewell tour with 55007 Pinza. Infact one of our team works on the real Waverley route as we speck
Cheers
Stuart
ECML Project Leader