Contents illegally uploaded to the DLS - N3V Please take action!

ish6 said:
... there were only 3 people working at Auran HQ once agaon, and almost gone out of business -- yes, you guys showed up in a business magazine years back about your financial issues!
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It's worse than that, Auran is long gone. We are N3V now.


..when that day comes when a super hacker cracks trainz core codes and upload that mateiral for folks to download, maybe someone gets up from their chair and do something!
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Love the melodrama, but in reality, if a simple burglar stole our source code and spread it around on the internet, we still couldn't do anything. You're missing the point here. We don't control the internet. We don't control the police. Such acts are not immune to prosecution, but the copyright holder will need to prosecute each act on an individual basis, assuming that they can identify the people involved. This is generally speaking more expensive than just ignoring the problem. Please note that N3V is certainly not doing anything to prevent the copyright holder from prosecuting these individuals as is the copyright holder's legal right- however in my opinion that isn't going to achieve anything beneficial.


I think I made the point clear that this thread was to fine solutions, but it seems that you are defending your position more then discussing the problematic matter!
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I believe that the current solutions are not perfect but certainly sufficient, and that nobody here has suggested anything that sounds like an improvement over what we already have.


kind regards,

chris
 
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How many words. This is just vibrations.


One week has passed. I do not think that someone will do it.

 
It's not often, or should I say not at all that I would contribute to voice my opinion. But this is one topic that concerns me as I understand Alberte and Pofig's frustration. Personally, I have had problems of this sort in the past two years as the result was dealt with swift and delightful by the then previous Help desk rep; Alan Yeomans. I was surely grateful Alan was able jump on it and delete the corrupted files. Seriously though, having entirely read through this thread I would have to agree with Jan's statement (end of 1st page) and the concepts of others if such a feature could be implemented, trialed and tested within CMP to prevent further intrusions of another users content. Having something like this would be very handy if N3V were to play ball.

However, food for thought for 3rd party hosts, could there be any way possible to put in place a restriction on users that do not hold a legitimate Planet Auran account to gain access to your 3rd party content ?

It never should be underestimated that there is indeed a work around solution, I do see this as a reoccurring problem in the long term which is something for both 3rd party site owners
and N3V to consider. Just expect that a greater solution is not going to be solved overnight!

Cheers

Marty
 
chuffbuff said:
However, food for thought for 3rd party hosts, could there be any way possible to put in place a restriction on users that do not hold a legitimate Planet Auran account to gain access to your 3rd party content ?
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This is a pure business issue for N3V. In the past Auran worked with the content creators and listened to their concerns and changes were made to the way the DLS worked to address those concerns with the aim of making third party content sites less attractive. For some reason the perception of some content creators is that the DLS conditions have either changed or evolved into something they are now uncomfortable with.

I'm not sure I see any advantage to third party sites adding complexity to check for a Planet Auran Account.

Cheerio John
 
An update on things...

For those who have not seen Pofig's site today, he has posted a message stating that he will no longer be creating any new content, and that the project is closed. This is a direct result of this illegal cloning, and N3V need to step in and do something in order to avoid the same happening with another creator.

Shane
 
shaneturner12 said:
An update on things...

For those who have not seen Pofig's site today, he has posted a message stating that he will no longer be creating any new content, and that the project is closed. This is a direct result of this illegal cloning, and N3V need to step in and do something in order to avoid the same happening with another creator.

Shane
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No offense, but I really couldn't care less. That Pofig's trees were hosted on third-party sites made them a deal-breaker for me. Then all the drama surrounding them - I'd rather just avoid it altogether.

I do get what you're saying, but, ultimately, what's at play here is the general cultural tendency of Russians to have total, absolute zero regard for other's intellectual property rights. Moreover, it doesn't seem Pofig has made any attempt to get the message out to his fellow Russians that this is not okay. (Or if he has, he hasn't said anything about it.) He seems angrier at N3V than the arse%&#@s who are actually pirating his material.

Of course, N3V has an obligation to remove the cloned content, provided Pofig has made a proper request to do so.
 
From what I've gathered, he has made quite a few requests for content to be removed and he has shown evidence of this as well.

Shane

EDIT: The reason his trees are on a third-party site is because his Speedtree license appears to not allow for payware distribution, which is what N3V's DLS EULA requires (which I personally think is a bad idea).
 
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According to the above screenie that request was only a week ago. A large company like Google/Youtube might be able to honor a request within a few hours; a tiny company like N3V may need a week or two. But, point taken, they should get on this.

Am I correct in understanding that removed content still appears as available on the DLS - just is not downloadable? That definitely needs a fix.
 
shaneturner12 said:
An update on things...

For those who have not seen Pofig's site today, he has posted a message stating that he will no longer be creating any new content, and that the project is closed. This is a direct result of this illegal cloning, and N3V need to step in and do something in order to avoid the same happening with another creator.

Shane
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That's been there for months Shane, he has just recently named and shamed, last week on his site though.

I feel the problem with pofig and N3V is one of communication, something is getting lost both ways in the translation.

@RRSignal pofig did address the problem in his own language on a certain Russian Trainz site from where the main cloners seem to come from. He linked to the thread from a post on here when he packed in creating, needless to say as far as I could make out with Google Translate he got a very negative response.
 
johnwhelan said:
This is a pure business issue for N3V. In the past Auran worked with the content creators and listened to their concerns and changes were made to the way the DLS worked to address those concerns with the aim of making third party content sites less attractive. For some reason the perception of some content creators is that the DLS conditions have either changed or evolved into something they are now uncomfortable with.

I'm not sure I see any advantage to third party sites adding complexity to check for a Planet Auran Account.

Cheerio John
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Ahh yes, that is a valid point John, thanks!

Regards,
Marty
 
shaneturner12 said:
From what I've gathered, he has made quite a few requests for content to be removed and he has shown evidence of this as well.
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As far as I'm aware, quite a bit of content has been removed. It's definitely not an immediate turnaround- it takes time for our helpdesk personnel to process any incoming requests, and it takes time for the requests to be reviewed and actioned. If he feels that we're missing something, or going about this the wrong way, I have provided a direct email address to him on multiple occasions that he can use to escalate the issue. So far, he has chosen not to.


... payware distribution, which is what N3V's DLS EULA requires (which I personally think is a bad idea).
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I would love to be able to relax that restriction, but it would be cutting our own throat. The DLS is only useful if people use the content to create new routes. We rely on community-created routes when putting together our own Trainz product. We do work with the creators to improve these routes and to improve the game's handling of these routes, but we need those community-created routes as a starting point. If we encourage the creation of routes that cannot be included into Trainz, we encourage the death of our own product.

kind regards,

chris
 
WindWalkr said:
Nonetheless, you have been given an email address to contact us. To repeat; <trainzdev@auran.com>. Please use it if you are serious about this issue.

chris
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Okay.
I sent the letter. Then he thought, and sent a duplicate to another box. Received confirmation that the message is received. We'll wait.
 
Pofig said:
Okay.
I sent the letter. Then he thought, and sent a duplicate to another box. Received confirmation that the message is received. We'll wait.
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Hi Pofig,

We received both emails, but I will need you to send through the information requested in my response email.

kind regards,

chris
 
I can see where you are coming from regarding the restriction, but it does mean that some creators are turning to third-party sites in order to host their content. It's a similar story to what happened (and still does happen) as a result of the Download Station no longer accepting older content (trainz-build 2.6 and less).

I just get the feeling that N3V are going to forever playing a cat and mouse game, so to say, with the illegal cloners. I would have thought that if it can be proved that someone has uploaded illegal clones, that their ability to upload content to the Download Station would be terminated without a second chance.

Shane
 
shaneturner12 said:
I can see where you are coming from regarding the restriction, but it does mean that some creators are turning to third-party sites in order to host their content. It's a similar story to what happened (and still does happen) as a result of the Download Station no longer accepting older content (trainz-build 2.6 and less).
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Agreed, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. As you say, there are other alternatives. It's an individual decision for a content creator to determine whether they would like to participate in the Trainz community, or do their own thing. There are always reasons to go it alone, and that's fine. But people who choose that path also lose the advantages that our DLS offers. As long as enough people find it beneficial to work with us, there's a benefit for the whole community.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for everyone to upload to the DLS, but I understand that it's not always practical. It's more important for us to have a sharing core community than it is to have 100% of the creators in that community.


I would have thought that if it can be proved that someone has uploaded illegal clones, that their ability to upload content to the Download Station would be terminated without a second chance.
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Would you still say the same thing after it comes to light that one of your favourite creators (or you yourself!) have accidentally uploaded a texture belonging to someone else as part of their asset? Or what about the 9-year-old who was just trying to contribute to the community? I think that banning for a first offence can be an overreaction in many cases. Without knowing all the circumstances, I'd prefer to give the other party the benefit of the doubt.

kind regards,

chris
 
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