Contacting YouTube

It doesn't always have to be YouTube, does it ?

There are hundreds (if not thousands) of sites on the net to which you can upload your videos to.
Of course that doesn't make up for any probable copyright violations, but you may be more happy on other sites with less strict policies.

You should check out Vimeo or Veoh or just Google for "YouTube Alternatives".

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Mr.Jingles
 
I have run into this problem, recently actually!

I had to videos with the song Domo Arigato Mr. Roboto in it. Both have been removed due to 'copyright infingement." Bunch of crap if you ask me. Both videos were up for a long period of time. I had given the artists of the song in both of them, I have read the Copyright laws on YouTube millions of times over!

The point of the fact is that YouTube is violatings its own laws and have become corrupt doing so. All my videos have a song in it by different artists, if they want to mess with me they can go right ahead. So many others have also done this! Why arent they getting in trouble? Anyone ever notice the report button under each video? I bet you that someone is ruining our own fun.

As far as I am concerned I am done with YouTube except for watching the videos. If they want to mess with me on upload they can go right ahead I got something coming for them.

Cheers,
Adam
 
What I find interesting here is that certain users are not understanding something.
You buy a CD like you buy Trainz Payware. Do you have the right to upload the payware wherever you want for any reason even noble ones? Why is music different? It isn't, there's no difference. You cannot use music in such a fashion. You cannot even distribute Trainz freeware any way you want.
Considering this is a forum where users learn to respect creator's rights, why is there a problem respecting musician''s rights?
 
My 2 cents worth

OK, on one hand the creators of the songs have a right to be paid, only if you are using their creation to make money. If you are producing videos for you tube or wherever, that are not-for-profit, then that's where I have a problem
concerning royalties. It would seem that the artists would want their songs out there, royalty free, if its for non profit use.
I do have a problem with people ripping CDs & videos. You are basically stealing material someone else created and giving it away for free. Put yourself in their shoes. If you wrote a song, paid a studio thousands of $$ to record it, then someone else is giving it away how would you feel? :eek:
 
This is one of the reasons why I don't put music on my Youtube videos. If you pay for music you should have the right to put it on a FREE video that nobodys paying for - ie Youtube or Google Video. Yet at the same time youtube is removing videos where the music is just in the background to videos and pictures etc, there are hundreds of music videos not uploaded by music record companys, lyrics videos and videos where it tells you how to get a free version of a song. Does YouTube do anything about that, not really. There are also hundreds of people stealing other videos, does youtube deal with them, again, rarely. How long is it before we can't even upload to things like youtube because camera makers claim copyright because a video was made using their camera:o
 
First and foremost, it is not the hosting site that is responsible for this, they are being dragged into court by the copyright holders for not removing them, youtube and google video are the biggest therefore the first ones to get taken to court.

Maybe if I scream it as loud as I can it might be understood :eek:
You did not buy the music, you only bought the right to listen to it !!!!
If you pay for a license to broadcast the music then you could upload it for others to listen to, even shopping centers cannot just play whatever CD they want, they have to have a license to broadcast (or whatever they call it), that is why most of them use (and pay for) a satellite radio station set up just for shopping centers etc.

Cheers David
 
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And that my friends is why I do all my yourtube sound tracks myself as in make my own music, or use soundtracks. There are few ways around this in Australia only. Pay for a APRA http://www.apra-amcos.com.au/ liceance or if you are a memeber of assocated video club you can yes commerical music for non commerical use only.

You make money out of someome else's music you have to pay for it, either via royalties or goal time, your choice.
 
You payed for the CD ... not the content ... suggest you actually read before you pay.
I can understand if it was free, like internet photos, videos, etc, but I have to disagree with that, as if you buy an item from shop, say a DVD recorder or pushbike for example, you don't just buy the box that either the DVD recorder, pushbike or any item came in, you buy the item as well as the packaging.

I know some people may copy music from CD/DVDs, but if people/companies don't want people to download their music, then DON'T make it available for download, where it maybe possible to download for free.
 
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I can understand if it was free, like internet photos, videos, etc, but I have to disagree with that, as if you buy an item from shop, say a DVD recorder or pushbike for example, you don't just buy the box that either the DVD recorder, pushbike or any item came in, you buy the item as well as the packaging.

I know some people may copy music from CD/DVDs, but if people/companies don't want people to download their music, then DON'T make it available for download, where it maybe possible to download for free.

You can dissagree all you like ... it won't change the copyright laws .

Fairly simple solution to all this ... if you don't agree with the license conditions , don't purchase the product ... if you breach copyright , get caught and receive a take down order .. cop it sweet .

Things could be far worse , a court case for infringement is guaranteed to be more expensive than a slightly bruised ego.

:D
 
I can understand if it was free, like internet photos, videos, etc, but I have to disagree with that, as if you buy an item from shop, say a DVD recorder or pushbike for example, you don't just buy the box that either the DVD recorder, pushbike or any item came in, you buy the item as well as the packaging.

I know some people may copy music from CD/DVDs, but if people/companies don't want people to download their music, then DON'T make it available for download, where it maybe possible to download for free.

So you would upload TRS for anyone to download and use, it is exactly the same thing.

Please listen

You did not buy the music, you only bought the right to listen to it !!!!

Cheers David
 
Pommie and Scitimar: I purchased the CD containing the music with my own money, and since there is no way* to convert videos from YouTube, I fail to see how it's harmful at all. Quite to the contrary, I would think that it would be encouraged as a means of free advertising...
* And as sure as I say that, I would not at all be surprised if there was a program hidden away on a torrent site that does just that...

there is a programme available (I'm not going to name it) that lets you rip videos from youtube etc, you can also rip the music from the said videos.

At least 90% of videos on youtube infringe copyright laws in some way.

re: You brought the cd so you own the songs thing. Incorrect I'm afraid. You are not allowed to distribute or copy the tracks on the cd, same as that little thing on the beggining of DVD's that warn you about copyright, read the small print on the cd cover. You could end up with a prison sentence if you are caught doing so.
 
So you would upload TRS for anyone to download and use, it is exactly the same thing.
If you actually read what he's saying, he's not uploading it for anyone to download and use. Your analogy doesn't work.

However, what really annoys me about this is how videos which in some cases only mention things get taken down because of copyright, yet people upload music videos and videos which have a song and the lyrics and these stay up. You wonder how long it'll be befre Youtube is left with no videos because they all contain at least something copyrighted.

And I have to pose this question, If you're listening to music out and about, be it through headphones or small speakers or whatever, can you be sued for copyright because others can hear it? Or can you be done for copyright by letting someone else listen to a CD you bought? Or by listening to it in a car with the windows open? Surely if letting others listen to it on Youtube breaches copyright, does this mean that you can now only listen to the music you've bought in a soundproof box so no one else can hear it?


there is a programme available (I'm not going to name it) that lets you rip videos from youtube etc, you can also rip the music from the said videos.
Actually there are lots, google "get youtube videos" and have a look at all of the sites you get.
 
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Now when you guys mean copy the songs,how do you mean it? Like taking it off the CD and putting it on another? Because if your talking about just taking it off the CD,and putting it on your computer,which is considered "copying" wouldn't that make all of the mp3/ipods illegal? Since they are most likely carrying your "copied" music from CD's which you own?
 
Please, you are on the net, do a search for 'music copyright' for whatever country you are in.

For Australia grab this http://www.copyright.org.au/G012.pdf

Just a part from the above pdf.

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What are your rights as an owner of copyright?

If you own copyright in a musical work or lyrics, you are generally the only person who can:
• reproduce it: for example, by recording a performance of it, photocopying it, copying it by hand, or scanning
it onto a computer disk;
• make it public for the first time;
• perform it in public;
• communicate it to the public (including via radio, television and the internet); <------- this bit
• translate it (for lyrics); or
• arrange or transcribe it (for music).
If you own copyright in a sound recording, you are generally the only person who can make copies of the
recording, or perform it, cause it to be communicated to the public or rent it out. <----------- and this bit
In the music industry, the following terms are often used:
• mechanical right: refers to the right to record a song onto record, cassette or compact disc;
• synchronisation right: refers to the right to use music on a soundtrack of a film or video; and
• performing rights: refers to the rights to perform in public and to otherwise communicate the work to the
public.
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Now you can debate the rights and wrongs of the law all you like, but you cannot change the fact that, at this moment, it is law.

If you actually read what he's saying, he's not uploading it for anyone to download and use. Your analogy doesn't work.
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It does and it is exactly the same, anyone can download these videos and separate the sound track, viola, they now have a copy of the music.

Now please there is plenty of public domain music available, use that and do the right thing, and I am surprised to see creators prepared to break copyright after all the debate about content theft .

Cheers David (who feels like he is banging his head against a double brick wall)
 
...It does and it is exactly the same, anyone can download these videos and separate the sound track, viola, they now have a copy of the music.

I'm afraid I fail to see how I can be held accountable for what others may do with it outside of its intended purpose. That being said, I stand corrected on my previous assumptions about using non-public domain music.

And I have to pose this question, If you're listening to music out and about, be it through headphones or small speakers or whatever, can you be sued for copyright because others can hear it? Or can you be done for copyright by letting someone else listen to a CD you bought? Or by listening to it in a car with the windows open? Surely if letting others listen to it on Youtube breaches copyright, does this mean that you can now only listen to the music you've bought in a soundproof box so no one else can hear it?
This is definitely an interesting parallel. Because, couldn't someone make a recording of the music if you're listening to it "out and about" as you said, same as someone could, apparently, rip the video off youtube?


Now, all this being said, and since:
[at] least 90% of videos on youtube infringe copyright laws in some way
why are there not drastically fewer videos on youtube?
 
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why are there not drastically fewer videos on youtube?

Because some of the companies that own the copyrights to the song or what ever allow it to be on YouTube. That is what happened to my video that I mentioned before in post 8. The downside is that the company has the right to claim that video as theirs because of the song:n: . And because of that I will be taking down that video at the end of the year.

Matt
 
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I'm afraid I fail to see how I can be held accountable for what others may do with it outside of its intended purpose. That being said, I stand corrected on my previous assumptions about using non-public domain music.

If you copy it and post it on the net, whether in a video or not, you are breaking the copyright, its not about others doing the wrong thing, its about you doing the wrong thing and for that you are accountable.
This is not about others, its about you (that 'you' is everyone that does it)


This is definitely an interesting parallel. Because, couldn't someone make a recording of the music if you're listening to it "out and about" as you said, same as someone could, apparently, rip the video off youtube?
You do not have control over someone following you around recording the music you are playing, so unless you are deliberately playing it for them to copy, you are within your 'normal' copyright use.

Now can we please stop with the "others are doing it, so why can't I"
No more excuses, it has been stated in this thread plenty of times what the legal situation is, accept it and move on.

Cheers David
 
I'm afraid I fail to see how I can be held accountable for what others may do with it outside of its intended purpose. That being said, I stand corrected on my previous assumptions about using non-public domain music.
When it comes to legal matters, sometimes the law doesn't go by intention, result is what counts. Your personal character may not carry much weight. There have been plenty of well-intentioned people who broke the law.

This is definitely an interesting parallel. Because, couldn't someone make a recording of the music if you're listening to it "out and about" as you said, same as someone could, apparently, rip the video off youtube?
I believe the technology to get songs when you are "out and about" is more expensive than taking it from an internet video. Also it is easier to find music to illegally copy through the web than in real life. Real life, you try to find someone playing One by Metallica, much easier to use a search engine on a video site to find it or any specific song you are looking for. So it is cheaper and easier to find the music through internet video than in the real world.

Now, all this being said, and since:

why are there not drastically fewer videos on youtube?
Haven't checked but I'll bet they don't have staff for this. Also they are going through what eBay experienced, eBay used to allow almost anything, now they have to tighten things up because loose restrictions are one of several reasons people have lost faith in the services (there are other reasons).
 
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