Contacting YouTube

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Ferrous

Going...going...
Hi all,

Got the following message this morning after uploading a video last night:

"A copyright owner has claimed it owns some or all of the audio content in your video [video name]. The audio content identified in your video is God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen by Mannheim Steamroller. We regret to inform you that your video has been blocked from playback due to a music rights issue."

I removed the video since then, but would like to get in touch with either YouTube or Mannheim Steamoller about re-uploading the video with (what they consider to be) proper attribution (note: I DID mention them in the tags section and made no statement, explicit or implicit, that I owned or created the music). I tried to contact youtube though the address "copyight[at]youtube[dot]com", but that's apparently a one-way street for reporting copyright claims. As such, I have exhausted all conceivable options and am wondering whether there is a way to contact YouTube or Mannheim Steamroller about this. If anyone has any ideas, please share them, I'm willing to try just about anything, considering how long I've waited to do this video.

Thanks in advance,
Ferrous :wave:

EDIT: If this isn't in the right place, mods please feel free to move it. This was my best guess.
 
I took all my vids off You-Tube after receiving a very heavy email regarding copyright of a song which was fully acknowledged in the notes and closing credits. The 'heavy' email arrived a couple of days after You-Tube's notification....

Andy :confused:
 
Just giving credit is not enough, if you do not have permission before you upload, then it is illegal copying.
With the way that TRS creators guard their copyrights why can't you understand others guarding theirs.

Cheers David
 
Word of advise, just give up

Ive lost 2 video's, one of which I worked my butt off to create, and no matter who I email or talk to, I have no been able to get them back. I dont even have the video file for one of them, and I discovered a backup video file for the other by accident.

Until record companies learn how to use Youtube to their benifit, which right now they DO NOT want to do, video's will drop like flies, nothing anyone can do.

Ive even thrown the "Fair Use" part of copyright law at them, with nothing changing.

Just give up and move on
 
Klinger said:
Ive even thrown the "Fair Use" part of copyright law at them, with nothing changing.
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Probably because this has nothing at all to do with "Fair Use" ... and everthing to do with using some one's work without permission.

I do love the way people make excuses for " borrowing "

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If you bought the CD or bought the song from Itunes etc,how does that mean "borrowing" if you bought the CD you bought ALL the songs on it,and until they find away that you cant copys the songs off the CD onto your computer,to put on your ipod,mp3 etc. They should not have a problem. And I doubt that they would make up such a thing because the mp3 and ipod sales would drop like flies because of it.
It makes no sense to take it out on use,because they shot themselves in the foot,it would be like me strangling someone because CMP choose to crash,it makes no sense.
 
I got that copyright message when I uploaded Trainz: Long Black Train because of the song. So as of right now the video belongs to UMG(Universal Music Group) and they let me keep it on youtube. I have no problems with that. Well I take that back, I might take it off of youtube at the end of the year and keep it for personal use. Besides I have enough videos on there anyway. Oh and I have a holiday related video that I am working on.

Matt
 
Thanks for the input, everyone, and thanks especially to George for providing me with contact information. I have sent them an email asking if there is a way to re-upload it with proper attribution, so here's hoping something positive will come of it.

Dermmy: by "heavy" do you mean "legal action threatened?"
Pommie and Scitimar: I purchased the CD containing the music with my own money, and since there is no way* to convert videos from YouTube, I fail to see how it's harmful at all. Quite to the contrary, I would think that it would be encouraged as a means of free advertising...
Klinger: I don't fully intend to give up, but I must say that this has dealt a blow to my motivation to make such videos...

I'm also curious to see if this has happened to anyone besides me, Dermmy, Klinger, and Matt, or if we're just that "lucky" :o

Please, guys, keep this thread friendly, I'd hate for a mod to come and lock a thread posing an innocent question... (I know it's still fairly tame, but all the same)

* And as sure as I say that, I would not at all be surprised if there was a program hidden away on a torrent site that does just that...
 
Ferrous said:
Pommie and Scitimar: I purchased the CD containing the music with my own money, and since there is no way* to convert videos from YouTube, I fail to see how it's harmful at all. Quite to the contrary, I would think that it would be encouraged as a means of free advertising...
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I don't think it's harmful either , but fact of the matter is that under current copyright laws it is not to be done . ... you know it , I know it , everybody knows it ... you must have permision before the act not after the act.

Sci
 
Ferrous said:
Pommie and Scitimar: I purchased the CD containing the music with my own money, and since there is no way* to convert videos from YouTube, I fail to see how it's harmful at all. Quite to the contrary, I would think that it would be encouraged as a means of free advertising...
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I am using the universal you, not the personal you, so please do not take this personally :wave:

Forget about the video part, they are not interested in the slightest about that.
What you pay for is the right to listen to the music in a private manner eg: in your home, car, mp3 player, etc, what you are doing by uploading the soundtrack is enabling others to copy and listen to it without paying for the right, that is piracy.
Simplistic explanation, yes because it is simple, you are copying and uploading their music track so others can download and use.

If you want a reason why they are bothering with your harmless video's consider the big picture.

If they legally allowed video clips with copyrighted music tracks to go onto sites like utube, how long would it be before hi-quality soundtracks were put onto lousy video's just to spread illegal copies legally ?

My suggestion is to find some 'public domain' music for your video's, because as the world economy gets worse the music industries profits are going to go down, so they will clamp down on illegal copying like never before :sleep:

Cheers David
 
Ferrous said:
Klinger: I don't fully intend to give up, but I must say that this has dealt a blow to my motivation to make such videos...
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Thats how I felt 6 months ago. They don't give a damn about us video makers. They just want to find every possible way to count their pennies. Having the song online where it can be heard but not BOUGHT is against their intentions.

There are two kinds of copyright holders looking at Youtube. The ones you and I have seen just care about them getting their money for their content. They want dollar signs for every time that content is heard. They srike down everything on Youtube that so much an mentions words from songs. I did some reasearch when this happened, a puppet show video got nuked because they guy doing the show "Said" the words "YMCA, Were going to the YMCA"

The other type are the ones who see the internet for what it is. Endless possibalties. They may file claims, but all that does is add ad's to our videos. they see Youtube and the internet as a way for them to Demo their music and content. And then buy buying the ad space placed in our video's they attract people to their websites where they make money when people buy their stuff

You don't have to give up, just remember what I have said. I wish the world was different, but its not sadly. And most of all backup your video's!!! Make sure that if they get nuked from Youtube, they are not gone forever. I lost a video I spent a week working on about space shuttles, and I can never get it back, I can never watch it again.....
 
pommie said:
...what you are doing by uploading the soundtrack is enabling others to copy and listen to it without paying for the right, that is piracy.
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While I could understand if that was my intention in the first place, it was not--I was merely attempting to spread some holiday cheer. Call me idealistic, but it seems to me that the vast majority of people don't even give swiping the video off youtube (if it's possible) a second thought.
 
Ferrous said:
While I could understand if that was my intention in the first place, it was not--I was merely attempting to spread some holiday cheer. Call me idealistic, but it seems to me that the vast majority of people don't even give swiping the video off youtube (if it's possible) a second thought.
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Nice cheery thought Ferrous , and a Merry Christmas to you :D ...

Sadly , a quick google search tells me that youtube vids are easily obtained , and in fact , some companies charge for software to do just that.

Sci
 
Scitimar said:
Nice cheery thought Ferrous , and a Merry Christmas to you :D ...

Sadly , a quick google search tells me that youtube vids are easily obtained , and in fact , some companies charge for software to do just that.

Sci
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Well, there goes my idealistic vision...ah well. :(

The point still stands, though, that that is not the intended result and that I can't be held accountable for what others may or may not do with the video. Interesting to note that though I have but 9 videos, it would appear that a member of the community and trainz videographer with more than 100 videos has never encountered this before...
 
Ferrous said:
Well, there goes my idealistic vision...ah well. :(

The point still stands, though, that that is not the intended result and that I can't be held accountable for what others may or may not do with the video. Interesting to note that though I have but 9 videos, it would appear that a member of the community and trainz videographer with more than 100 videos has never encountered this before...
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Some get unlucky , some do not .

Sadly idealism does not have a lot of retail value in a money driven environment :( ... so now I need to fill out a take down of my own .

Sci
 
Ferrous said:
Well, there goes my idealistic vision...ah well. :(

The point still stands, though, that that is not the intended result and that I can't be held accountable for what others may or may not do with the video. Interesting to note that though I have but 9 videos, it would appear that a member of the community and trainz videographer with more than 100 videos has never encountered this before...
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Actually, your vid was not removed because of what others might do with it....the point is that you made a video that contained copyrighted music that you did not have permission to use.....for that reason and that reason alone, it was removed. You were held accountable for only what you did with the video....created and posted it for public viewing. Seemly fair or not....that's the law....
 
all my videos have been taken down for various "copyright" reasons. a friend of mine said "James Bond" in one and both Sony and Google (youtube's owner) sent me emails saying that I was engaging in copyright infringement; and google said they were taking my video down. since then I do not upload to youtube, google, etc. If i have a video to upload I either put it on my photobucket or on one of my personal webservers.

peter
 
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