Cloning speedtree groups

[Lataxe]

Speedtree groups would be useful items in building or amending a route if only their individual contents were not so clunky. Personally I prefer the trees of Pofig and Mcguirel to the original Auran speedtrees. I have a feeling I'm not alone in this sentiment, reading through various speedtree-related posts in the forums.

I've been able to make speedtree groups visible for global replacement in Surveyor - but replacement of a group is possible only with a single item from ranges such as those of Pofig or Mcguirel trees. This can make the treescape look rather sparse. Is it possible, I wonder, to clone a speedtree group and replace the individual Auran speedtrees therein with much better Pofig or Mcguirel items?

If anyone can supply info about how to amend a cloned speedtree group config file to substitute different (DLS-hosted) speedtrees (or even the better non-speedtrees) I would be grateful. Would it need the speedtree library to be amended too?

I assume such cloning then substitition of Pofig or Mcguirel items, if possible at all, does not break any copyright rule - if such re-constituted speedtree groups are used only privately by me......? But would it be legitimate to upload such a cloned speedtree group if it contained trees already on the DLS from creators such as McGuirel, with a reference to their authorship?

Lataxe

 

[mcguirel]

I do not give you permission to do SpeedTree Groups with my DLS Single SpeedTree Assets other than for PRIVATE USE.
These assets may not be made available to the public in any means.

There are NO BENEFITS to SpeedTree Groups.

If you desire new SpeedTree Groups, you may PM me and request a commissioned series of assets.

 

[Lataxe]

I do not give you permission to do SpeedTree Groups with my DLS Single SpeedTree Assets other than for PRIVATE USE.
These assets may not be made available to the public in any means.

There are NO BENEFITS to SpeedTree Groups.

If you desire new SpeedTree Groups, you may PM me and request a commissioned series of assets.

Good afternoon Mcguirel.

Of course I'll comply with your, er, request not to group your trees into another kuid (assuming it might be possible at all) although I wonder if the licensing of DLS items actually forbids it? Still, I've no intention of testing that if it winds you up so.

If you are so adamant that there is no benefit to speedtree groups why are you suggesting I PM you to commission some? Given your often prickly responses to various posts about payware viz-a-viz your trees, it seems a rather exploitative suggestion, eh.?

Anyway, despite your prickly I once more offer you thanks and admiration for creating such fine Trainz assets and making them available to peasants such as moi.

Lataxe, just playing trains, you know.

 

[mcguirel]

Good afternoon Mcguirel.

Of course I'll comply with your, er, request not to group your trees into another kuid (assuming it might be possible at all) although I wonder if the licensing of DLS items actually forbids it? Still, I've no intention of testing that if it winds you up so.

If you are so adamant that there is no benefit to speedtree groups why are you suggesting I PM you to commission some? Given your often prickly responses to various posts about payware viz-a-viz your trees, it seems a rather exploitative suggestion, eh.?

Anyway, despite your prickly I once more offer you thanks and admiration for creating such fine Trainz assets and making them available to peasants such as moi.

Lataxe, just playing trains, you know.

I do not believe I was "Prickly" with my response.
I provided you permission to utilize my content for Private Use Content.

The offer was for the ability to have what you are requesting for Public Use or Route Building Needs for the ability of publishing your route.
Just goes to show that one's attempt to provide time and skills to a person's request was in fact regarded in a negative manner.

 

[Lataxe]

I do not believe I was "Prickly" with my response.
I provided you permission to utilize my content for Private Use Content.

The offer was for the ability to have what you are requesting for Public Use or Route Building Needs for the ability of publishing your route.
Just goes to show that one's attempt to provide time and skills to a person's request was in fact regarded in a negative manner.

McGuirel,

First an apology for assuming your bits of shouting (the CAPS) were not you being prickly. I don't want to antagonise you, although it often seems that this is all too easily done.
Your replies are rather confusing as they seem to contain self-contradictions....

I had assumed that your first reply, in saying "These assets may not be made available to the public in any means" meant that only private use of a group composed of your individual trees would be countenanced by you.

As a result of this assumption, I further assumed that when you said " If you desire new SpeedTree Groups, you may PM me and request a commissioned series of assets" meant that you were offering me commissioned payware for my private use only. Apologies if I have misunderstood, then.

In your further reply you then tell me that, "The offer was for the ability to have what you are requesting for Public Use or Route Building Needs for the ability of publishing your route", which seems to contradict your first response.

In any case, I don't ask that you do any further work but rather that someone help me undestand if it is possible to clone an Auran speedtree group so I can put better trees in it. I'm trying to learn how to build routes that may eventually be acceptable for the DLS - although for the moment all I make is for my private use and is just "educational jottings".

Therefore I would like to learn how to make a speedtree group myself. As I don't have the skill to make individual trees from scratch, I intended to employ individual trees that are already on the DLS, which include yours. (This is assuming that it is possible to clone an Auran speedtree group at all).

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As I understand it, I can use anything within my personal Trainz assets (freeware & payware) to make routes, sessions, consists or other collections of items for my own private use. I was under the impression that I could also use DLS-only items to make such conglomerations for public use, via upload to the DLS. Many excellent creators do this as a matter of course (no one makes every item in their route from scratch).......

....So what is your problem with someone making a route or a speedtree group for the DLS referencing your already DLS-present items? Isn't that why you put them there?

Lataxe, who just wants some clarity.