http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/11/chinese-bullet-train-maker-orders-recall/?test=latestnews
Oh, yeah, it's from Fox News so it's not true, right?:hehe:
Oh, yeah, it's from Fox News so it's not true, right?:hehe:
China recalling HS Trainz...
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ex-railwayman
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Yeah, Fox's sister channel is Sky News, over here in the UK, I don't watch either of them, complete garbage.
This Chinese HS train article is reported around the world today by global newspapers and TV, so, it must be true.
Cheerz. ex.
This Chinese HS train article is reported around the world today by global newspapers and TV, so, it must be true.
Cheerz. ex.
Given FOX's propensity towards 'accidentally' mis-labelling republicans as democrats (but only when they've been caught in a scandal, mind) and democrats as republicans (only when they've done something exemplary, mind), it could well be Bavaria or somewhere that's recalling their HS trains
CNN World news also confirms the HS train recall in China:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/08/12/china.bullet.trains/
Thanks for posting the news Ed.
Regards,
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/08/12/china.bullet.trains/
Thanks for posting the news Ed.
Regards,
"China has the world's biggest train network, with 56,000 miles of passenger rail. But trains are overloaded with passengers and cargo, and critics say the money would be better spent expanding slower routes."
I thought it was the US that had the biggest network?
The whole High Speed Rail project sounds a bit dodgy to me.. but for the sake of train travel and the amount of money they've put into it i hope it works out for the country in the long run.
I thought it was the US that had the biggest network?
The whole High Speed Rail project sounds a bit dodgy to me.. but for the sake of train travel and the amount of money they've put into it i hope it works out for the country in the long run.
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Well everything in China is a rip-off of something made with led and expected to make it. Just look at everything in Wal*Mart! :hehe: These trains are NO different! Peronaly I wanted to see this take off (not off the rails) so the US has some insentive to invest in another HST corridor other than the Northeast Corridor. One part of my wish came true, the other, eh, not so much.
Fred
With what CNN said, I think the train may have outlasted it's time. Either that or China really screwed up with their system.
I'm not sure why but I feel like this accident just made the train obselete. Like this was the last shot at having the train go big and it failed in embarresing fashion.
Fred
Well gosh, whatever CNN says just has to be true... it's not half as biased as Fox news, right? RIGHT?
Well gosh Ed, don't get upset with me.
Just posting that other networks are saying the same about the HSR in China. I posted that just to confirm the Fox report.
Sorry,
Bias isn't just about what is actually true, it's about presentation and context. This story is clearly true - but did Fox create the impression that this was relevant to the USA's high speed plans? Was HSR's otherwise very good safety record mentioned? I can only recall one other serious HSR accident worldwide (Eschede in Germany). That one also led to all similar ICE trainsets being recalled for inspection, and being returned to high speed service once the issues had been addressed (a cracked wheel IIRC, that failed approaching a leading crossover just before an overbridge).
To my mind the greatest issue here is for the Chinese - they clearly have an issue with corruption and quality, and their political system does not easily lend itself to an open safety culture. The overhasty clear up of the accident site shows that this isn't improving either.
The biggest lesson for the rest of the world is probably not to let the Chinese build your HSR until they have their own house in order, and that safety isn't an automatic feature of HSR - it's a product of thorough engineering, and vigilant management. After all, the safety records of conventional rail vary worldwide, and that's typically a combination of corner-cutting on spending, and management practices.
Just another thought - when an airliner comes down with unexplained technical issues, isn't it normal to ground the fleet for inspection? It doesn't spell the death knell for HSR anywhere else in the world...
Paul
p.s. Actually, having now read the article, it seems pretty free of active bias. Frankly the whole incident is negative enough for promoters of high speed rail without further embellishment. Only a mention of European/Japanese HSR safety stats would counter that impression. It is, of course, possible that the explanation of sensor failure from lightning strike is true, but that does be the question of why multiple levels of redundancy, or fail-safe systems were not used.
To my mind the greatest issue here is for the Chinese - they clearly have an issue with corruption and quality, and their political system does not easily lend itself to an open safety culture. The overhasty clear up of the accident site shows that this isn't improving either.
The biggest lesson for the rest of the world is probably not to let the Chinese build your HSR until they have their own house in order, and that safety isn't an automatic feature of HSR - it's a product of thorough engineering, and vigilant management. After all, the safety records of conventional rail vary worldwide, and that's typically a combination of corner-cutting on spending, and management practices.
Just another thought - when an airliner comes down with unexplained technical issues, isn't it normal to ground the fleet for inspection? It doesn't spell the death knell for HSR anywhere else in the world...
Paul
p.s. Actually, having now read the article, it seems pretty free of active bias. Frankly the whole incident is negative enough for promoters of high speed rail without further embellishment. Only a mention of European/Japanese HSR safety stats would counter that impression. It is, of course, possible that the explanation of sensor failure from lightning strike is true, but that does be the question of why multiple levels of redundancy, or fail-safe systems were not used.
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NevadaNorthernFan901
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"probably not to let the Chinese build your HSR"
No, I'm sorry, if I gave you the impression that I am upset. I'm not, and I knew what you posted for, thanks.
springtransit
What are you looking at?
Well, it's probably gonna hamper China North's efforts to enter the US market...
springtransit
What are you looking at?
No wait, I'm probably thinking of China South, never mind...
masterowner
The One and Only
China's high speed rail is typical of their reversed engineered junk...
Perhaps our American cousins are showing a slight lack of gratitude to the Chinese on this thread, who are, after all, very generously holding billions of dollars of US debt? 
Paul
Ed, nothing is even a quarter as biased as Fox news!Well gosh, whatever CNN says just has to be true... it's not half as biased as Fox news, right? RIGHT?
Paul
I will personally send the Chinese government a nice thank-you card when they waive the interest on the debt they have so generously purchased. I doubt they would do that. They buy our debt because they benefit from doing it. Anyone have any stats on how much of Greece's debt they have purchased lately? Now buying a ton of that debt might really be generous.
Bernie
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