Buckingham Branch RR

Dean_Forest said:
720M by 720M which is about half a mile by half a mile
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Hallo,

yes, that’s right. The baseboards measure 720 metres x 720 metres.
The exact relation between miles and metres:

1000 Metres = 0.62137 Miles

720 Metres = 0.44739 Miles

Just, if this page does the right calculations:
http://www.din-formate.de/kalkulator-berechnung-laenge-masse-groesse-umrechnung-meter.html

I hope this helps. Your work is grooving very well, have fun continue with it. :)

Cheers TUME
 
CincySouthernRwy said:
Wow. Your work continues to get better and better. What are the weeds that appear in the first two pics? I'm always looking for better ones.
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I believe if you do a search of DLS for "G:Grass" or G:Trees" you will find most of these. Also do a search for "JVC" They have some great weeds and trees. I am about ready to give this route up as a lost cause. It appears that only you and maybe 1 or 2 others like the route. The thread gets very few comments and almost as few hits anymore. It is hard to understand. Some of the people here can post a shot of a train sitting on some rails with only the grid, No textures or few textures applied and just get rave reviews. I put 100% into posting only shots that appear a realistic as I can get them and no one says crap.:confused: I don't know what I am doing wrong but obviously something is not right and right now, I am just not motivated to continue work on it. Time will tell..
 
skidmark22 said:
I believe if you do a search of DLS for "G:Grass" or G:Trees" you will find most of these. Also do a search for "JVC" They have some great weeds and trees. I am about ready to give this route up as a lost cause. It appears that only you and maybe 1 or 2 others like the route. The thread gets very few comments and almost as few hits anymore. It is hard to understand. Some of the people here can post a shot of a train sitting on some rails with only the grid, No textures or few textures applied and just get rave reviews. I put 100% into posting only shots that appear a realistic as I can get them and no one says crap.:confused: I don't know what I am doing wrong but obviously something is not right and right now, I am just not motivated to continue work on it. Time will tell..
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Hallo,

as I can see here, people get involved into your thread and I like the screens you posted here. When did you start your route project? If you have a look at the video using the link just above my banner, you will see the presentation of my Simulation of the Milwaukee Road in the Bitterroot Mountains. I started to lay the first tracks in May 2006! Since that time, I switched between building the route in TRS and over 350 special objects in gmax, as required to meet the real thing as close as possible. In addition to this, I always made improvements and redesigns at parts of the route, which have been already built besides making progress to fill the naked terrain. Even the forest has been change three times.
Be sure, your route looks great and also you have the advantage to work already using TS2009 now. I agree some just puts things in here, which is may be not even the high end, but we should consider – its just a very nice and time intensive hobby for the most of us. May you should have a little more patience with people and finally with yourself – may be.
I hope you will continue your good work and it will make fun to you.

Cheers TUME.
 
tume said:
Hallo,

as I can see here, people get involved into your thread and I like the screens you posted here. When did you start your route project? If you have a look at the video using the link just above my banner, you will see the presentation of my Simulation of the Milwaukee Road in the Bitterroot Mountains. I started to lay the first tracks in May 2006! Since that time, I switched between building the route in TRS and over 350 special objects in gmax, as required to meet the real thing as close as possible. In addition to this, I always made improvements and redesigns at parts of the route, which have been already built besides making progress to fill the naked terrain. Even the forest has been change three times.
Be sure, your route looks great and also you have the advantage to work already using TS2009 now. I agree some just puts things in here, which is may be not even the high end, but we should consider – its just a very nice and time intensive hobby for the most of us. May you should have a little more patience with people and finally with yourself – may be.
I hope you will continue your good work and it will make fun to you.

Cheers TUME.
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Thanks for the kind words Tume. As I said, time will tell. You can look at the date of my first post in this thread to see when I first started this route. Just a couple of months ago I believe.

EDIT: I just went and looked. I started the route in May of this year.
 
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Whoa! Even the Clinchfield took longer than that. :p

Listen to Uwe. He's an outstanding talent. He didn't make the Milwaukee Road on Day 1 by hoping he'd get 50 people to post "Good work!" on the forum. (How many of those posts is enough, anyhow?) And that certainly isn't the reason I built the V&O, the NYS&W, or any other line I'm working on.

The #1 reason you build a rail line or Trainz object of any kind is for YOU. It needs to be done because it needs to be done. Period. Those modeling narrow gauge lines in Thailand or the monorail at Jungle Jim's won't likely be interested. Oh well. The point is, do YOU enjoy it? If the BB isn't your cup of tea, then by all means move on. Maybe someone else would like to collaborate on the BB.

Taking breaks is often needed to complete big projects. Few of us are as focused as Uwe is on the Bitterroot Mountains (assuming he's not working on other projects that we don't know about, of course). When I tired of the V&O, I worked on the Susquehanna. When placing one building at a time bogged me down in Paterson, NJ, I worked on the C&IM. When putting fences around farm fields got slow, I moved on... etc.

You have shown tremendous improvement on the BB from your first pics to your most recent. The attention to drainage, engineering, topography, and the arrangement of mankind around the tracks shows that you have invested a lot of energy into studying how the real world is put together. Detail takes time and pays few dividends unless someone sees the final product for the first time (or you offer it as payware :hehe:).

I wonder how many Americans see "Buckingham" in the title and assume this is a British branchline! Who knows. I, for one, can't wait to see your finished product. Then again, I can't wait to see MY finished products! I started the V&O in 2003. I have redone the track at least three times, the texturing four or five, crossings three times, etc. It's been a PITA, but at the same time, when I haven't seen it in six months, then take a ride on train 261, I can almost enjoy it! :hehe: I started the Susquehanna in 2005 or so. Prototype-based layouts take time. That is one reason I have focused on model railroad trackplans, feeling that I may actually live to see the finished product. :hehe: Maybe you could take a page from the books of the real railroads and hire 10,000 Irish or Chinese laborers. :hehe: With the world in an economic depression, you might fix it right there.

If feedback is what you want, consider making a video like Uwe did for the Milwaukee Road. He inspired me to try, and so I finally downloaded Fraps and HyperCam2, plus I am working through the "SimpleLoco" tutorial for GMax so I can get the USRA heavy 2-8-2 I want (another long term project that won't gather more than ten people on a forum thread, but will get dozens of downloads). Maybe a few Youtube links will get you the feedback you are looking for.

The best advice I can give is lather, rinse, repeat.

Keep your stick on the ice!
 
CincySouthernRwy said:
Whoa! Even the Clinchfield took longer than that. :p

Listen to Uwe. He's an outstanding talent. He didn't make the Milwaukee Road on Day 1 by hoping he'd get 50 people to post "Good work!" on the forum. (How many of those posts is enough, anyhow?) And that certainly isn't the reason I built the V&O, the NYS&W, or any other line I'm working on.

The #1 reason you build a rail line or Trainz object of any kind is for YOU. It needs to be done because it needs to be done. Period. Those modeling narrow gauge lines in Thailand or the monorail at Jungle Jim's won't likely be interested. Oh well. The point is, do YOU enjoy it? If the BB isn't your cup of tea, then by all means move on. Maybe someone else would like to collaborate on the BB.

Taking breaks is often needed to complete big projects. Few of us are as focused as Uwe is on the Bitterroot Mountains (assuming he's not working on other projects that we don't know about, of course). When I tired of the V&O, I worked on the Susquehanna. When placing one building at a time bogged me down in Paterson, NJ, I worked on the C&IM. When putting fences around farm fields got slow, I moved on... etc.

You have shown tremendous improvement on the BB from your first pics to your most recent. The attention to drainage, engineering, topography, and the arrangement of mankind around the tracks shows that you have invested a lot of energy into studying how the real world is put together. Detail takes time and pays few dividends unless someone sees the final product for the first time (or you offer it as payware :hehe:).

I wonder how many Americans see "Buckingham" in the title and assume this is a British branchline! Who knows. I, for one, can't wait to see your finished product. Then again, I can't wait to see MY finished products! I started the V&O in 2003. I have redone the track at least three times, the texturing four or five, crossings three times, etc. It's been a PITA, but at the same time, when I haven't seen it in six months, then take a ride on train 261, I can almost enjoy it! :hehe: I started the Susquehanna in 2005 or so. Prototype-based layouts take time. That is one reason I have focused on model railroad trackplans, feeling that I may actually live to see the finished product. :hehe: Maybe you could take a page from the books of the real railroads and hire 10,000 Irish or Chinese laborers. :hehe: With the world in an economic depression, you might fix it right there.

If feedback is what you want, consider making a video like Uwe did for the Milwaukee Road. He inspired me to try, and so I finally downloaded Fraps and HyperCam2, plus I am working through the "SimpleLoco" tutorial for GMax so I can get the USRA heavy 2-8-2 I want (another long term project that won't gather more than ten people on a forum thread, but will get dozens of downloads). Maybe a few Youtube links will get you the feedback you are looking for.

The best advice I can give is lather, rinse, repeat.

Keep your stick on the ice!
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I realize that you are 100% correct but you must realize also that I am a retired Helo pilot. I don't know crap about trainz. If I don't get feedback, I don't know if the way I am going is good or if it is just getting snickers behind my back. I don't have anywhere close to the experience at this that most of the people here do so I need input and/or feedback. I feel that if I don't get it, I am not doing something right. Do you see my point. Not knowing any more about trainz than I do, I probable shouldn't have started this project but I like the sim and wanted to fit in the community here at the forum. I got the feeling from reading in the forum that the way to do that was to build a route. I guess I just feel like it is not working because I am not getting as much feedback as I need to feel secure in the project.

Thanks for trying to help. I am just wondering if I should go back to Flight Simulator and leave Trainz to the experts. Don't know right now which way I am going to go.
 
skidmark22 said:
I realize that you are 100% correct but you must realize also that I am a retired Helo pilot. I don't know crap about trainz. If I don't get feedback, I don't know if the way I am going is good or if it is just getting snickers behind my back. I don't have anywhere close to the experience at this that most of the people here do so I need input and/or feedback. I feel that if I don't get it, I am not doing something right. Do you see my point. Not knowing any more about trainz than I do, I probable shouldn't have started this project but I like the sim and wanted to fit in the community here at the forum. I got the feeling from reading in the forum that the way to do that was to build a route. I guess I just feel like it is not working because I am not getting as much feedback as I need to feel secure in the project.

Thanks for trying to help. I am just wondering if I should go back to Flight Simulator and leave Trainz to the experts. Don't know right now which way I am going to go.
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It's tough. I know how you feel when you work hard, want some feedback and get none. Still, Cincy is right: you have to do this for you. You could also reason that since no one is saying anything bad, that they must like what they are seeing. ;)

I personally like your work and hope you'll keep at it!

:wave:

Gisa ^^
 
I am a retired teacher and a retired athlete. Talk about extremes. From all feedback to only negative feedback. You can't let paranoia ruin your fun. I can't recall a single negative comment in this thread. Imagined negativity is a foe best ignored. Generally, if you are enjoying your craft, it will show in your enthusiasm and your skill.

Everything I know about Trainz I learned in the first hour or two I ran the program. Seriously. I've just gotten better with that over time. So have many others.

While admiring the pics and showing them to my wife, I guess there are only so many times we can post "Neat!" without repeating ourselves. I suppose we should be more specific. There are probably many folks who don't visit the forum at all who only download and run. They won't know about the BB or the V&O until it's available for download. That's content creation for you. Perhaps rather than just posting pics, you could ask specifically for feedback, like, "How do you think this bridge scene turned out?" Or, "Do these drainage ditches look deep enough?" "Should I go with this building here, or this one instead?" Et cetera.

It still needs work, but I wanted to show you what your work has inspired me to make:
BB5a.jpg


I want the hood doors to blend in better (all those black lines!), and I forgot the tiny "BB" on the cab side. I'd also like to make the GP16's, #2 and 3.

In the 1940's, I think C&O operated the BB with G-7s and G-9 2-8-0's:
CO876a.jpg


Sadly, as is typical of the 2-8-0 model, the cab numbers are very faint, so I will have to work on that more.

Did U25B's ever work the branch?
SD40 updates here
and here.

Once I update the other numbers I previously uploaded, I can upload this latest batch.

These are all things I thought of while checking your progress on the BB. Except the U-boats. I've been working on those the last month or so.
 
1000 Meters = 0.62137 Miles = 3281 Feet
1609 Meters = 1 Mile = 5280 Feet
720 Meters = 0.44739 Miles = 2362 Feet

tume said:
Hallo,

yes, that’s right. The baseboards measure 720 metres x 720 metres.
The exact relation between miles and metres:

1000 Metres = 0.62137 Miles

720 Metres = 0.44739 Miles

Just, if this page does the right calculations:
http://www.din-formate.de/kalkulator-berechnung-laenge-masse-groesse-umrechnung-meter.html

I hope this helps. Your work is grooving very well, have fun continue with it. :)

Cheers TUME
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I remember long ago someone posted that a baseboard was roughly 1/4 of a mile. I never worried about any other conversion or measurement since I wasn't modeling mile-for-mile. I think it's clear now that that was incorrect.
 
gisa said:
Excellent work and excellent shot!

:wave:

Gisa ^^
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Thanks Gisa.. I am rendering a video right now of the route as it is completed so far so you can see the whole thing (at least what is completed so far) It is 7 boards so far.
 
I have finished a movie of 6.5 of the 7 boards I have so far on this route. You can view it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB9osnsq4cM after it has finished the YouTube processing. Be sure to hit the HD button.
I hope you will be able to wait until YouTube has the HD in place before viewing it. As of this moment, it is not ready for HD viewing. Give it about an hour or two from 4 PM EDT.

Here are some screen captures of the maps
BBRRmap1.jpg

BBRRmap2.jpg


BBRRmap3.jpg


BBRRmap4.jpg
 
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Great work on the video. You give a good snapshot of the BB and your progress so far. It looks like it will be fun to operate. Since you are building from a prototype, it shows that you've paid attention to the elements along the line and how tracks, line poles, farm fields, roads, etc. all come together.

One thing about the engine sound that you may not know. When Auran released Paint Shed way back when, they goofed on the sound file for the GP38. It uses what is supposed to be the same sound file as the Australian 2100 Class engine. It is kuid:-12:2100. However, that isn't the proper sound for either locomotive. It's actually the sound from some electric locomotive, discernible from the hum. If you'd like a more realistic sound, I'd recommend Wulf9's EMD 645 engine sound, kuid2:104722:53438:1.
 
Great! thanks. Be advised that the sound in the video is not sync with the video. It comes from my effort to get all the video under 10 mins. and still keep the trainz sounds in Sony Vegas. I can easily shorten or lengthen (speed up or slow down) the video but it doesn't change the sounds part of the file. My goal was not to be too worried about the sound but to give an overall visual snapshot of the whole route so far (if that makes any sense).
 
Actually, it makes a lot of sense. In theory, you could have left out the audio, though it would have been less entertaining. I think you did a good job of capturing the feel of the line and a great job of paying attention to lineside details.

I have recently tried to make a video myself using both Fraps and HyperCam2. The latter will not record sound no matter how many boxes I check, plus the picture is grainy. The former costs more $ than I can throw at it right now, but gets sound and a good 30 second video.

What is Sony Vegas?
 
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