Best system for TRS22
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johnwhelan
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There is no upper limit. For any machine configuration I can find a set of assets that will bring it to it's knees.
Having said that use https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php
Middleton for laptops needs a 3D score of 350, the recommended minimum is 10,000 personally I might think in terms of an RTX 3070 TI as being not too bad. Once you get above 20,000 you get into diminishing returns and an RTX 4090 might have great performance but it needs cooling and feeding and that isn't as simple as it might sound. Things like DDR5 ram and lots of it, 32 gigs wouldn't go amiss.
Dell.com do have 4080 and 4090 machines and their systems are generally well thought out for power supply and cooling.
Cheerio John
Having said that use https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php
Middleton for laptops needs a 3D score of 350, the recommended minimum is 10,000 personally I might think in terms of an RTX 3070 TI as being not too bad. Once you get above 20,000 you get into diminishing returns and an RTX 4090 might have great performance but it needs cooling and feeding and that isn't as simple as it might sound. Things like DDR5 ram and lots of it, 32 gigs wouldn't go amiss.
Dell.com do have 4080 and 4090 machines and their systems are generally well thought out for power supply and cooling.
Cheerio John
ColPrice2002
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Hi,
I’m running an older pc:-
Cpu i5 overclocked to 4.2 GHz,
cpu Rtx 2060
graphics at 1980x1240 (?) not 4k…
nVidia control centre limits to 60 fps (monitor refresh).
the performance is quite acceptable - just don’t set all parameters to Ultra.
later cpus and gpus should have an improved performance.
do make sure that you use a SSD for the TS22 and data - disc access time does make a difference.
Personally, I’d go for an Rtx 3060 and a modern cpu.
nVidia lets you use turf fx, other makes dont
I’m running an older pc:-
Cpu i5 overclocked to 4.2 GHz,
cpu Rtx 2060
graphics at 1980x1240 (?) not 4k…
nVidia control centre limits to 60 fps (monitor refresh).
the performance is quite acceptable - just don’t set all parameters to Ultra.
later cpus and gpus should have an improved performance.
do make sure that you use a SSD for the TS22 and data - disc access time does make a difference.
Personally, I’d go for an Rtx 3060 and a modern cpu.
nVidia lets you use turf fx, other makes dont
johnwhelan
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There is a difference between the laptop GPU and the desktop GPU see the 3D score.
Cheerio John
rogueranger1993
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I also wanted to jump in and point something out. I have an Acer Predator Helios 300 laptop that I run trainz on, and I do have issues with overheating when running Trainz on higher settings. However, the RTX2060 GPU in my laptop has never been the issue - it runs perfectly fine at nearly all settings. The real limiting issue for me has always been my CPU temperature, which tends to climb dramatically if I set my graphics too high. That may just be an issue caused by using a laptop, I honestly don't know, but I do know that your GPU is likely not going to be the limiting factor - the bottleneck is more likely to be in your CPU, either due to temperature or data speed limitations. IIRC, Trainz doesn't really support multi-core CPUs very well, so that could be one cause of the issue.
ColPrice2002
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When I bought my last PC (above), I knew I was going to use an overclocked cpu for Trainz. I specified water cooling and a good pc case with 3 fan cooling.
The stock cpu coolers don’t really manage a full-on CPU running for hours!
Previously, I burnt out a cpu running trs 2006 - that version used the cpu harder than the gpu - trs 22 is significantly better is using the gpu, reducing the load on the cpu.
I’d suggest you find a pc builder and customise the build - alternatively, buy the components and self assemble! It’s not that difficult.
Try to use quality components - specially motherboard, cpu, cpu cooler, power supply, memory.
The stock cpu coolers don’t really manage a full-on CPU running for hours!
Previously, I burnt out a cpu running trs 2006 - that version used the cpu harder than the gpu - trs 22 is significantly better is using the gpu, reducing the load on the cpu.
I’d suggest you find a pc builder and customise the build - alternatively, buy the components and self assemble! It’s not that difficult.
Try to use quality components - specially motherboard, cpu, cpu cooler, power supply, memory.
rogueranger1993
Narrow Gauge Enthusiast
ColPrice, that is very useful information to know on all counts. I'm glad that TRS22 has improved the CPU loading issue, among the many other improvements that will hopefully be coming in future - maybe I'll be able to run it on my laptop with less issue then TRS19 once I finally decide to upgrade. I myself have an old gaming desktop that is several years old and isn't up to modern spec, but it has a great fan setup, so once I really feel the need to upgrade to a better PC, I can just tear out most of the outdated internals and use the frame to build a custom PC. I count myself as being rather fortunate in that regard.
southern154
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I bought a
Lenovo ThinkStation Tower Gaming Desktop Computer PC with Intel i5 8th Generation Processor – 16GB DDR4 Ram – 512GB SSD – NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5 Graphics –
and it is lagging while running TRS22. I am very ignorant regarding PC's and TRS22. Is that computer suitable for TRS22? I have the settings on standard or low. Thanks for the help.johnwhelan
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It is very much on the low end. It will run if you're very selective on what you run and set the distance to minimum.
3D score for the GPU is 6,319 and 10,000 is normally considered the minimum. https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php The power supply is probably not good enough to switch the GPU.
Dellrefurbished.com have a couple of 5820 tower xeon workstations at 50% off this evening with an RTX4000 GPU, 3D score 12,500 which would wipe the floor of your gaming PC. One is grade a the other grade b but grade b is fine functionally. The other nice thing is the 5820s come with a nice power supply so you can upgrade them easily to an RTX 5070 when you have money.
Cheerio John
Your wallet is your limit. If it was me, and had the money, I would get the best AMD processor, since those are the better choice at this point. As for GPU, Nvidia top of the line is probably overkill, but if you have the duckets, go for it. AMD has released newer GPUs, too, and are good. Maybe someone on here can chime in on AMD GPUs, and their experience, as I am not sure how good or bad Trainz likes that chipset as much or less.
johnwhelan
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Traditionally N3V made use of a nVidia program to optimise the game on nVidia GPUs. If you're spending the money then I'd go nVidia, if you have the funds something like 20,000 3D score is nice but 30,000 is nicer which would be an RTX 4070, the RTX 5070 should be available very shortly for about the same price but we are talking upwards of $3,000, $4,500 for an i9 system with an RTX 4090 and even that if you let me choose the assets will struggle. A reasonable low end is 10,000 - 12,000 3D score which the dell refurbished 5820 provides for around $700 this evening.
Dell alienware desktops seem to have a number of satisfied users but even then the lower end models might not make it.
Cheerio John
What you don't want to do is cut yourself short and what you want to do is a bit of future planning. Purchase the most expensive components or a machine that you can afford that will give you a machine with the best performance for as long as possible. This means not going to the local office supply store such as Staples and picking up a cheap desktop or laptop and expecting the machine to handle Trainz. This is just as true now as it was a decade or more ago.
Do you need a desktop RTX4090? No. The RTX4060s and RTX4070s will work quite well, and so will a 3080 or 3090. I'm currently running Plus on a Dell desktop with a 12900K i9 and an RTX3080. It runs quite well, although a bit hot due to the poor case design, without stutters and hiccups.
If you are looking for a laptop, I do recommend an Alienware laptop or some other gaming laptop. These machines are expensive but have the cooling capabilities built into them. An office laptop will overheat and shutdown quickly or run very poorly. I currently broke my bank and purchased an Alienware m18 with an RTX4090. The mobile RTX4090, by the way, is equivalent to a desktop 4070 or 4080. This machine runs Trainz well but the fans crank pretty hard and keep my hands pretty warm on these cool winter nights.
I plan on keeping this hardware in service for at least 5 years. The last Alienware laptop I used constantly for 8 years without any problems at all. The desktop now is going on 3 years now and has no issues and will last until I squeeze my last dime out of my hardware investment.
Do you need a desktop RTX4090? No. The RTX4060s and RTX4070s will work quite well, and so will a 3080 or 3090. I'm currently running Plus on a Dell desktop with a 12900K i9 and an RTX3080. It runs quite well, although a bit hot due to the poor case design, without stutters and hiccups.
If you are looking for a laptop, I do recommend an Alienware laptop or some other gaming laptop. These machines are expensive but have the cooling capabilities built into them. An office laptop will overheat and shutdown quickly or run very poorly. I currently broke my bank and purchased an Alienware m18 with an RTX4090. The mobile RTX4090, by the way, is equivalent to a desktop 4070 or 4080. This machine runs Trainz well but the fans crank pretty hard and keep my hands pretty warm on these cool winter nights.
I plan on keeping this hardware in service for at least 5 years. The last Alienware laptop I used constantly for 8 years without any problems at all. The desktop now is going on 3 years now and has no issues and will last until I squeeze my last dime out of my hardware investment.
Yeah, but this is one of those threads that rises from the dead off and on and was resurrected back in December.You know guys, it's been since May of 2023 that the op asked his question. I think we can safely say this thread is dead, LOL.
blueodessey
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Excellent Overview John,
I would add, that for Laptops, be aware that all as far as I know, the GPU is hardwired (soldered in) which think stinks!
And some models, RAM is also soldered in. Which means when you check specs, certain things Hardware wise keep you locked in. Which is Shame. (Reason I think, they want you to purchase more Laptops.
Also a lot of Computers come with 1 Tera byte or less of space, as well, Laptop manufacturers and just putting in 1 Drive (SSD) and no option to add a second.
Good points. I am spoiled with my Alienware laptop. Both the RAM and HD can be upgraded. There's even a slot for a 2nd M.2 drive if I want to do that. I maxed out my RAM when I bought it to 64GB.
That's another thing with laptops and prebuilt machines. If you order a machine with replaceable memory, the manufacturer will always put in the lowest amount of RAM to make up what you want. If you have 4 slots and order 16 GB of RAM, they'll put in 4GB sticks. These are then wasted, unless you can sell them, when you upgrade. I learned this a long time ago.
Another thing with laptops is the batteries are now soldered in on some of the cheap models. This and the soldered in HD makes the machines e-waste even though they're still viable machines because the HD and battery can't be upgraded or replaced.