Baldwin "Sharks"

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Does anybody know the external differences between the RF-16 and the DR-4-4-1500? I know that the latter was essentially a "Babyface" with a "Shark" body, but I was wondering if it was more complicated than that?
 
That's odd, because these appear to have had 4-wheel trucks.

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However, they were also BLW's demonstrator set. Perhaps they were a prototype?
 
The interesting thing about Baldwin locomotives is that body style wasn't reflected in locomotive classifications like most other builders. You can actually tell a lot about the configuration of a Baldwin just from it's name, however. For example:

DS-4-4-1000 is a diesel switcher, four axles, four traction motors, 1000 hp

DRS-6-4-1500 is a diesel road switcher, six axles, four traction motors, 1500 hp

DT-6-6-2000 is a diesel transfer loco, six axles, six traction motors, 2000 hp

DR-12-8-1500/2 is a diesel road loco (cab unit), twelve axles, eight traction motors, and two 1500 hp engines

Now this only works for models that use this naming convention, the VO series are named for their prime mover (and are all four axle switchers), and others such as the RF16, for Road Freight locomotive, 1600 hp, and the AS (not actually sure on this one...) -16, -416, and -616; the first digit (where present) signifies the number of motors on a six axle unit, otherwise it means it is a four axle. I'll leave the S-12 and RS-12 up to you...

BP20, by the way, is a PRR classification meaning "Baldwin Passenger, 2000 hp" and not actually the real BLW classification of DR-6-4-2000.
 
Looks like you beat me to it, Simulatortrain, including the part about calling it a BP20 being the wrong thing to do.

In any case, to expand upon what he said, Baldwins are particularly difficult to identify at times, especially the switcher models. External differences can appear on even the same model of locomotives. The names, as was pointed out, refer to the internal components, rather than the external shell, which tended to be more of a one size fits all type of thing.

In fact, the 6 axle passenger Sharknose, the CNJ double cabbed Babyface, and the regular 6 axle Babyface were all the same locomotive, just with different body styles. (the CNJ units being a slight exception due to the double cab)

The difference between a VO and a DS/DRS/DT is that the VO models had a turbocharged VO prime mover, where as the D models had a NA non-turbocharged prime mover. VO's also did not refer to their role or axle count in their name, just VO and their horsepower. The D models referred to their prime mover, role, axle count, powered axle count, and horsepower. Later on, Baldwin tried to simplify this by creating the AS(all service), RS, RF(road freight) and S classes, though it was already getting to the end of Baldwin at this point.

The reason for their odd naming scheme is also the reason for their demise. Baldwin never adapted properly from steam to diesel and applied steam locomotive practices to building diesels. One of these was allowing railroads to customize their orders like they would with steam engines. This was costly, and hardly efficient.


As for the original question about the difference between a DR-4 shark and a RF-16 shark in regards to external features there really aren't any. The DR-4-4-1500s had some issues when they were first introduced, and came in babyface and sharknose. Once the bugs were worked out it was rereleased as the RF-16 and only came in Sharknose. This was to fully promote it as the sharknose and get away from the stylings of its competitors, as well as to move away from the memories of the DR-4-4-15's teething issues.
 
Thanks for the info, Jadebullet.

The only Baldwins I've ever seen in person have been on static display, but something about them intrigues me.
 
Just stumbled across this...

Thanks for the info, Jadebullet.

The only Baldwins I've ever seen in person have been on static display, but something about them intrigues me.
Happened to be looking for something else entirely, but found this thread and the discussion of the Baldwins fascinating. Learned a lot. I have found the babyfaces in particular to be interesting because Missouri Pacific used to have some in service in my youth, and I have some nice pics of those. They actually use this shot of a MoPac babyface on the DR-4-4-15 Wikipedia page:

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Sure would be swell if someone came out with a nice HO model of a DR-4-4-15 in "babyface" configuration...

Mike
 
The Anthracite Road Historical Society (which I am not affiliated with) is very close to releasing a kit for CNJ's babyface diesels. I'm not sure how close they are to the MP's units, but would probably be a good starting point.
 
On the DR-4 units, the nose was longer and the two rear vents on the locomotive were uniform, as opposed to the PRR RF16 units where the nose was shortened and the rear two vents were different. Those are the only two noticeable differences.
 
Also, the MP DR-4 units were three feet longer than the CNJ and NYC units to allow for steam generators. I would think that you could just leave the HO scale models that the Anthracite Historical Society has and paint e'm up and they would be none the wiser.
 
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