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Thats doesn't sound right :s The can has to bring up the rear, as it has the tail disc and lamp irons. And the guard! Oh, and photos I've seen show van at rear
Zec
Oh yes, the locos are by jerker. I'm just the bunny who gets to put them in TRS, clean them up, and put all the fancy crud on
Zec
I better tell dad that then :hehe:
and finally a steamer to shunt rollingstock around with 
Tom
P.S. But its a Tait Car with discs, lamps and can fit a guard
Michael_Evans
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Thats doesn't sound right :s The can has to bring up the rear, as it has the tail disc and lamp irons. And the guard! Oh, and photos I've seen show van at rear
Zec
hmm!
not absolutely positive, but has anybody seen the Yarram Mixed pics from the 80's?
Pass cars were cut off at some stage and it would have been sensible to have the van on the front of the pass cars.
In other pics I have seen the van on the rear. Did it depend on the van?
Also no problems having a pass car on the rear the guard carried a fold up disk in his kit which could be mounted on one of the holders provided for that purpose. The tail light from the guards van was simply removed and placed on the holder provided on the carriage.
Not all carriages were so fitted, but any carriage used in those places would have been fitted.
Cheers
Rod
What about a brake tap and gauge? Wouldn't you have to have one of these in the rear car?
I can kind of believe having a van in front of the pass cars, but I would have though the pass car would be required to have a brake gauge wherever possible. I'm fairly sure that Steamrail has to have one of their 'K' cars at the rear, as they are fitted with a gauge and tap. The the other end normally has a PCP car. Sometimes they can get away with a CW/CE van or a BCE
Zec
I can kind of believe having a van in front of the pass cars, but I would have though the pass car would be required to have a brake gauge wherever possible. I'm fairly sure that Steamrail has to have one of their 'K' cars at the rear, as they are fitted with a gauge and tap. The the other end normally has a PCP car. Sometimes they can get away with a CW/CE van or a BCE
Zec
Well I guess, every air operated vehicle had a brake pipe cock, and we used that for brake tests anyway. If the car was fitted with tail lamp holders or electric lights it would also have a brake pipe pressure gauge fitted on the rear near the brake pipe cock. If the pass car had an emergency cord in the carriage (and Country pass cars did) then you had a gauge and an emergency cock in the end vestibules.
Cheers
Rod
Cheers
Rod
What about a brake tap and gauge? Wouldn't you have to have one of these in the rear car?
I can kind of believe having a van in front of the pass cars, but I would have though the pass car would be required to have a brake gauge wherever possible. I'm fairly sure that Steamrail has to have one of their 'K' cars at the rear, as they are fitted with a gauge and tap. The the other end normally has a PCP car. Sometimes they can get away with a CW/CE van or a BCE
Zec
P.S. But its a Tait Car with discs, lamps and can fit a guard
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ah now I see it! so we have the tools to build a 7 car Tait?
We better fix the pantographs too Zec, they need to match the height of the Xtrap, to make things easier, anyway they go much too high for Victorian clearances, maybe Springvale Road crossing might have stretched them that high
Now that car on the goods must have been a G car, rather than a T or a "ringer" G Cars were fitted with gas lighting to make them available for non electric running. (I know they used ringers for wheel chairs and prams but I wonder if they were guards vans or meant to be guards vans at one time, but they did not have gas lighting)
Cheers
Rod
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Nope. The original creator only ever made the M can I gave you... I just wanted something different in my consist
Oh yes, there is NO way I'm going to make my stuff match the X'Trap.
I'm sorry guys, but the X'Traps panto is much too high for Vic lines
I've made the L class' panto match Vic practice (well, I actually set it so that it matches the default aussie Auran catenaries, which are within the VR's caternary limits). Most catenaries that look somewhat similar to Vic ones are set to the height the L uses. But the X'Trap still ends up too high.
As to the Tait. I stuffed up the animation. I just need to re-adjust the anim to fix it. I just can't be bothered till I get the T car as well...
Zec
Oh yes, there is NO way I'm going to make my stuff match the X'Trap.
I'm sorry guys, but the X'Traps panto is much too high for Vic lines
I've made the L class' panto match Vic practice (well, I actually set it so that it matches the default aussie Auran catenaries, which are within the VR's caternary limits). Most catenaries that look somewhat similar to Vic ones are set to the height the L uses. But the X'Trap still ends up too high.As to the Tait. I stuffed up the animation. I just need to re-adjust the anim to fix it. I just can't be bothered till I get the T car as well...
Zec
Ok Zec but if we got your Tait and Comeng running one height Xtrap and any others running other heights, then I guess I will just not bother going to the trouble of installing overhead. As it is it looks pretty bad. By the way have you checked out the Xtrap height? I used English double Line cat. in my picture here and it looks pretty good to me.
Remember Victorian overhead on a cold day sits about 6 inches above the whistle on a S Class (engineman's observation), and on really hot days we used to get sparks as the wire started to droop. Like I said above, Victorian O/H went to max height only when it went across level crossings, as the pantos lost efficiency on full extension.
Sometimes compromises really do not matter if they are not very noticeable. I think the overhead in Victoria varies about 4 .5 feet in practice.
Cheers
Rod
EDIT ok ok Can we change the Xtrap without the mesh, however I do believe we have the mesh?? Anyway its a config. item and separate mesh isn't it?
Remember Victorian overhead on a cold day sits about 6 inches above the whistle on a S Class (engineman's observation), and on really hot days we used to get sparks as the wire started to droop. Like I said above, Victorian O/H went to max height only when it went across level crossings, as the pantos lost efficiency on full extension.
Sometimes compromises really do not matter if they are not very noticeable. I think the overhead in Victoria varies about 4 .5 feet in practice.
Cheers
Rod
EDIT ok ok Can we change the Xtrap without the mesh, however I do believe we have the mesh?? Anyway its a config. item and separate mesh isn't it?
Nope. The original creator only ever made the M can I gave you... I just wanted something different in my consist
Oh yes, there is NO way I'm going to make my stuff match the X'Trap.
I'm sorry guys, but the X'Traps panto is much too high for Vic lines
As to the Tait. I stuffed up the animation. I just need to re-adjust the anim to fix it. I just can't be bothered till I get the T car as well...
Zec
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Is that a fire behind the red one
Yeah the Xtrap has sticking brakes. You can see the driver from the Tait (workshop orange boiler suit) is back there giving the Connex bloke a hand. It is probably a spring operated hand brake that has applied somehow. The fix is to wind it off with a large socket and wrench and from memory its hard to do and about 30 turns!
Cheers
Rod
Well I'll be... I must have been thinking of another model :s
anyways, just checked the X'Trap. It looks to have been set to UK cat height (as you mentioned). However, I've been warned away from the UK cats. This is because there are only a small number of sets using this height. There are a large number using the Aussie catenary heights. I'm fairly sure this is a 6m height, or something close to that. This is fairly close to max, but gives us the widest range of catenaries. Yes, a few feet may not be noticable. But it certainly becomes a paint where there are only a small handful of catenary splines that look something like the Vic ones.
I'm still trying to find the height of the UK ones. But, after placing the L next to the X'Trap, it does seem a bit low.
The Aussie wire height has already been used on a fair few number of layouts too, including the ones by the guys at the Razorback Railway. Myself, I'll stick to the Aussie ones. Means my stuff will work with the majority of layouts, and gives a nice wide range of catenaries that can be used...
Zec
anyways, just checked the X'Trap. It looks to have been set to UK cat height (as you mentioned). However, I've been warned away from the UK cats. This is because there are only a small number of sets using this height. There are a large number using the Aussie catenary heights. I'm fairly sure this is a 6m height, or something close to that. This is fairly close to max, but gives us the widest range of catenaries. Yes, a few feet may not be noticable. But it certainly becomes a paint where there are only a small handful of catenary splines that look something like the Vic ones.
I'm still trying to find the height of the UK ones. But, after placing the L next to the X'Trap, it does seem a bit low.
The Aussie wire height has already been used on a fair few number of layouts too, including the ones by the guys at the Razorback Railway. Myself, I'll stick to the Aussie ones. Means my stuff will work with the majority of layouts, and gives a nice wide range of catenaries that can be used...
Zec
Ok ill add another to my " To find list "
http://trainzsimgroup.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=2030246:Photo:26
Where could i find these ( I forgot the coding they use ) 44 Class reskins or arn't they released ?
http://trainzsimgroup.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=2030246:Photo:26
Where could i find these ( I forgot the coding they use
) 44 Class reskins or arn't they released ?