Auran/NV3 are starting to remove my interest in Trainz!!

[Retro00064]

O really? Have you used Content Manager at all or are you just basing it off assumptions? Content Manager especially versions 3.3 and 3.4 are very good at managing your content, you can even have them open and Trainz open at the same time. There is a reason CM was introduced in TS2006 and has been in every version of Trainz after.

hert:wave:

I was not exactly pointing the finger at the idea of a Content Manager. It definitely is a great utility from what I see. But what in the world is the purpose of a Trainz Asset Database that requires long repairs at times (and which is so complicated that you have to use the "open for edit" function on an asset just to see its files), or why C. M. strains to realize that there is an FCT when getting on the DLS? The DLS website was always reliable (I never had to change my password when I got an FCT ). Maybe Auran should consider a Content Manager service pack.

We should definitely keep Content Manager, but were there so many complaints on the forums about an FCT not being recognized back before TRS2006?

TRS2004 does have somewhat slow start-up periods when you have a lot of downloaded content installed, but at least you do not have to worry about a corrupt database, or whatever.

Regards.

 

[gawpo50]

Thank you for your reply!!
But i've taken Trainz off my computer now. As i'm finished with it now after all these years.
I have this afternoon bought Railworks and bought quite a few of the add on pack.
It would seem that a financial incentive is what it takes to get great content.
The free content on Trainz is extremely poor compared to the paid content on Railworks.
And no more content manager!! A huge bonus!!
I accept many of Railworks limitations but at least I will get pleasure out of using its brilliantly done content and cabs and engines that match the locomotive. And not like the free trash you get with trainz or should I say not so free trash ya get with trainz because of the First Class ticket that does NOT guarantee access to the DLS as promised by Auran.

I have removed trainz for similar reasons.

Useless FCT, Crap included content (new mk3 coaches. I rest my case), Content manager way too complex. Had most of my fun with T2006. Will the mac version be as good as the mac deserves? I doubt it as the iPad version has terrible content.

Yup, the Content Manager monster strikes again, driving loyal Trainz users away for ever. I wonder if we ever had these problems back in the no-Content Manager, old-and-downright-reliable system of TRS2004 and earlier. Back then, the DLS was located on a reliable website. No "what-in-the-world-is-that?" Trainz asset database, no database repairs, every thing was done the old-fashioned, reliable way, the way that rarely, if at all, had any problems.

Regards.

I maybe not the most tactful person in the world but I sure as hell don't go around offending people just for the sake of 'I can't work this program out'. All the 3 attached quote(s) have done is deeply offend a vast majority of users and content creators for no more reason than they are dumb users. There is another quote that comes to mind, 'a bad tradesman blames his tools' and in your case(s), that comment certainly applies. It is best for people like you to leave as you are no loss to this community at all. Just to clarify a point for you lot, the people who create content for TS2004 + spend enormous amounts of their free time for absolutely no reimbursement so that other people can enjoy the experience of Trainz in all its variations using their creations. They do not deserve insults from you lot.

Enough said.

 

[meatloaf747]

I want good quality paid for content and not free rubbish content.

Michael, I can recommend a good course for you here; - http://www.dalecarnegie.com/search_courses/select_course.jsp# - It's call "how to win friends and influence people" :hehe:

If you do decide to come back, an apology to "all Trainz freeware content creators" might be in order for implying that all their "free stuff" is rubbish...

They sacrifice their "Sundays" making this content for you & I to enjoy, and now they have to listen to you bitching that you can't get something working right. If the majority of Trainz users have either no issues, (or very few) why is it that you can't seem to "get things right" especially that you are an "old hand at Trainz"

As some Trainz'ers has already found out, the grass isn't greener on the other side. What's that one liner that Arnold Schwarzenegger said in the TERMINATOR? - "I'll be back"

Cheers Mac...

 

[OverlordNZ]

Nuff Said!

 

[RRSignal]

I was not exactly pointing the finger at the idea of a Content Manager. It definitely is a great utility from what I see. But what in the world is the purpose of a Trainz Asset Database that requires long repairs at times (and which is so complicated that you have to use the "open for edit" function on an asset just to see its files), or why C. M. strains to realize that there is an FCT when getting on the DLS? The DLS website was always reliable (I never had to change my password when I got an FCT ). Maybe Auran should consider a Content Manager service pack.

We should definitely keep Content Manager, but were there so many complaints on the forums about an FCT not being recognized back before TRS2006?

TRS2004 does have somewhat slow start-up periods when you have a lot of downloaded content installed, but at least you do not have to worry about a corrupt database, or whatever.

Regards.

I can't answer the other questions except to say that a database is pretty much unavoidable by the nature of how things operate.

 

[Retro00064]

I can't answer the other questions except to say that a database is pretty much unavoidable by the nature of how things operate.

TRS2004 and earlier do cache the config.txt files of all of your downloaded content, so you could call that a pseudo-database, but that is it. Other than that, it reads the content files directly.

Regards.

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

Well i am off to bed, this thread was so exciting.

I fell asleep at the pc.

IKB.

 

[Vern]

We really need a popcorn icon...

For the OP, good luck with Railworks however I think you will find it's not all rosy - signalling that has less logic or functionality than that in Transport Tycoon, DLC which costs more than a N3V FCT for a single item and has physics characteristics that make TRS DCC mode look good (though you daren't complain about it on a forum as the developer will sue you). And if you do decide to start developing your own content, be prepared for a route editor that is about two steps above what MSTS used to offer in terms of useability.

Want a route that doesn't just rely on built in content. Be prepared to spend hours trawling the web and occasionally dubious file hosting sites to find all the components as there's no central DLS as with Trainz.

Yes, we really need a popcorn icon.

 

[Dinorius_Redundicus]

Sure he's offensive, but at the same time I think it's unwise to completely dismiss this type of feedback. There is some truth in what he says, however unpleasant it may be to hear it. He's been a Trainz user for a long time, not like he's a newbie ragging on it after 5 minutes experience.

 

[Retro00064]

We really need a popcorn icon...

For the OP, good luck with Railworks however I think you will find it's not all rosy - signalling that has less logic or functionality than that in Transport Tycoon, DLC which costs more than a N3V FCT for a single item and has physics characteristics that make TRS DCC mode look good (though you daren't complain about it on a forum as the developer will sue you). And if you do decide to start developing your own content, be prepared for a route editor that is about two steps above what MSTS used to offer in terms of useability.

Want a route that doesn't just rely on built in content. Be prepared to spend hours trawling the web and occasionally dubious file hosting sites to find all the components as there's no central DLS as with Trainz.

Yes, we really need a popcorn icon.

Euphod has one.

Regards.

 

[bassist118]

TRS2004 and earlier do cache the config.txt files of all of your downloaded content, so you could call that a pseudo-database, but that is it. Other than that, it reads the content files directly.

Regards.

The prob with 2004 was waiting to play the thing, you had to load it up, go shopping, have tea, watch tv for a few hours then it may have just loaded all the content... The advantage of 2010 is that the database is saved and added to when installing new content.



Andy

 

[Retro00064]

The prob with 2004 was waiting to play the thing, you had to load it up, go shopping, have tea, watch tv for a few hours then it may have just loaded all the content... The advantage of 2010 is that the database is saved and added to when installing new content.



Andy

Actually, I have several gigabytes of content installed, and normally TRS2004 takes just a few minutes to start up for me. When you install content via the Download Helper or Content Dispatcher, it adds the asset (or maybe just a note to tell Trainz to look for that asset ) to the cache file for your downloaded content. Then the loading time for your first time of launching TRS2004 after installing the downloaded content just depends on how large the total size of all of the assets that you just downloaded is, e. g. less than 1 megabyte would probably not extend the waiting time much, while installing 50 plus megabytes will extend your waiting time by a chunk.

Regards.

 

[sparky15]

How many users of this program called the content creators who contributed before the release of 09/10 incompetent. Guess the defenders forgot all the insults hurled at those creators who uploaded years before the latest release.

You guys know, incompetent and luddite were the words of choice.

And yet you brag about fixing that content to new standards after the initial put down. Built in content taken from the DLS doesn't match the new standards. Guess you never took a look at build numbers of included content. Two releases later, the clean up is in progress.

That old content has been there the whole time, built into the program.

 

[JimDep]

When someone posts their legitimate frustration about buying a FCT and not being able to use it, isn't it amazing how many "helpful" people here are so quick to kick him/her out the door. No wonder why he lashed out. I seriously doubt the content creators (diminishing number) are going to take his comments personally when it's obvious the OP has displaced aggression. He's not the only one having this difficulty, these posts come up several times a week and how many have already given up, especially after getting insulted?

This guy spent money on FCT, and blew time on his days off trying to get it to work. Cut him a little slack instead of kicking him when he's down.
Besides, this isn't free content anymore, you pay to get access to it.
I don't recall seeing this kind of nastiness on the forum until 2009 / 2010 came out.

 

[zatovisualworks]

When someone posts their legitimate frustration about buying a FCT and not being able to use it, isn't it amazing how many "helpful" people here are so quick to kick him/her out the door. No wonder why he lashed out. I seriously doubt the content creators (diminishing number) are going to take his comments personally when it's obvious the OP has displaced aggression. He's not the only one having this difficulty, these posts come up several times a week and how many have already given up, especially after getting insulted?

This guy spent money on FCT, and blew time on his days off trying to get it to work. Cut him a little slack instead of kicking him when he's down.
Besides, this isn't free content anymore, you pay to get access to it.
I don't recall seeing this kind of nastiness on the forum until 2009 / 2010 came out.

Wholly agreed, Jim. Of late over here there seem to be some very angry trainzers acting as apocryphal Auranites or N3VRfailers, more Auranite-like than the actual ones. They seem to act as an uninvited Prætorian Guard of an unknown emperor. I want to believe that even the N3VR Fail team is not very happy with them when booing other trainzers who express their genuine feelings, more or less kind-tempered or not. I sometimes wonder if some colleague trainzers balance the fair and conveying enough implicit value of a respectful silence meaning "I don't agree but I respect your right to type it here even though I don't bother to answer".

I don't recall seeing this kind of nastiness on the forum until 2009 / 2010 came out.

Yes, this wouldn't happen in old-time forums. And the pity is that it's becoming a not very kind habit.

My respect and kindest greetings for all of you, collegue trainzers.

The respectful side of Alberte :wave:

 

[WindWalkr]

I don't recall seeing this kind of nastiness on the forum until 2009 / 2010 came out.

Yes, this wouldn't happen in old-time forums. And the pity is that it's becoming a not very kind habit. :

Methinks some people have short memories and rose-tinted glasses

cheers,

chris

 

[OverlordNZ]

We really need a popcorn icon...

For the OP, good luck with Railworks however I think you will find it's not all rosy - signalling that has less logic or functionality than that in Transport Tycoon, DLC which costs more than a N3V FCT for a single item and has physics characteristics that make TRS DCC mode look good (though you daren't complain about it on a forum as the developer will sue you). And if you do decide to start developing your own content, be prepared for a route editor that is about two steps above what MSTS used to offer in terms of useability.

Want a route that doesn't just rely on built in content. Be prepared to spend hours trawling the web and occasionally dubious file hosting sites to find all the components as there's no central DLS as with Trainz.

Yes, we really need a popcorn icon.

 

[JimDep]

Methinks some people have short memories and rose-tinted glasses

cheers,

chris

Or we could set the proper tone, such as; let's try to help people when they are venting frustration instead of telling them to hit the road (not pointing fingers at any one person).

Sometimes we just need to let people vent without throwing back snide remarks in return. You know where that leads.

 

[WindWalkr]

Oh, absolutely. I've said as much on a few threads already.

I just found it amusing that people have the idea that this forum was somehow better in the old days. There've always been a lot of ups and downs.

chris

 

[leeferr]

Oh, absolutely. I've said as much on a few threads already.

I just found it amusing that people have the idea that this forum was somehow better in the old days. There've always been a lot of ups and downs.

chris

Chris
You're exactly right about this. We all love to remember 'the good ole days' when everything was nice and rosy, but we only remember the good. The forum has had it's ups and downs just like the DLs has had its ups and downs. It's interesting to see a few comments around that the old DLS hardly ever had any problems. As great as it was, I can remember times when the server would go down practically every weekend and there would be thread after thread titled 'DLS is down' or something similar.

I've decided to just go with the flow. I'm so tired of the negativity around here these days.

Mike