ATLS System

[Kris94]

Since the ATLS System won't save itself if you create a new session or delete one, isn't there a way where you can by just simply using the session you already have in order make a new where the old system carries over into the new one or will that mess everything up? That's what I loathe and despise about the ATLS System to me personally. I hate having to reset it when I make a new session then if I go back to an old one, then I still have to make it up again.

 

[PerRock]

Personally I set up a "Session Settings" session which contains all the settings for ATLS; then when I set up a new session to run I start with my Session Settings session & save it under a new name (the Session Settings session is kept).

peter

 

[Kris94]

Personally I set up a "Session Settings" session which contains all the settings for ATLS; then when I set up a new session to run I start with my Session Settings session & save it under a new name (the Session Settings session is kept).

peter

Im confused.

 

[Dermmy]

That's what I loathe and despise about the ATLS System to me personally. I hate having to reset it when I make a new session then if I go back to an old one, then I still have to make it up again.

Pretty strong language there my friend.

The solution is to do what everybody else does - to create a new session edit the existing one. As Per Rock says - you had to have a 'creation' session when you built the route - that's what you use as a basis for all 'real' sessions.

 

[Andy38d]

Pretty strong language there my friend.

The solution is to do what everybody else does - to create a new session edit the existing one. As Per Rock says - you had to have a 'creation' session when you built the route - that's what you use as a basis for all 'real' sessions.

Personally, I edit the atls crossing while in the "edit route" mode. That way, every session is saved with atls configured.

 

[Kris94]

So basically make a route, save it, configure the atls system, then create multiple sessions with the saved atls system in place.

 

[Dermmy]

Personally, I edit the atls crossing while in the "edit route" mode. That way, every session is saved with atls configured.

ATLS settings are saved to the session NOT the route (and the way Trainz is set up that is an unalterable fact of life) so that ain't gonna work...

So basically make a route, save it, configure the atls system, then create multiple sessions with the saved atls system in place.

Nope - make a SESSION and save it...

 

[Kris94]

That's what I meant.

 

[maruffijd]

If you go to Boats site he has PDF files that will help greatly. That and when you open the controller for edit in surveyer there is a short blurb about saving if you scroll all the way to the bottom of the settings pop up page.

 

[Andy38d]

ATLS settings are saved to the session NOT the route (and the way Trainz is set up that is an unalterable fact of life) so that ain't gonna work...



Nope - make a SESSION and save it...

Hmm. That's weird Andy. It always seems to work for me...? Maybe I'm just lucky lol.

 

[Kris94]

Okay so which ATLS Asset is he talking about?

 

[heyrey]

Are you confused on how to make an ATLS crossing or something else.

 

[Kris94]

Saving it is the issue.

 

[Dermmy]

There is no 'saving' issue Kris. Any Surveyor object which requires 'setting up' be it ATLS assets, interactive industries, some road intersections, whatever it be: it has - and always has had - it's set-up details saved to the session, not to the route.

All you have to do is load the session for edit, not the route and everything will retain its set-up details. If you load the route, you lose the lot. Every route builder operates within these parameters and every released route was built within these parameters. To save myself I cannot see where the issue lies.

The issue has nothing to do with ATLS or its method of operating, and I find your 'thumbs down' icon and the tone of your opening post frankly disrespectful. The ATLS system is one of the best left-field innovations ever in Trainz - a brilliant concept very cleverly executed.

Andy

 

[Kris94]

Its not disrespectful I love ATLS System but I'd like to not have to redo the ATLS System if I load the map and not a session. In other words that's something I'd love to see change. Would make things a lot easier for all of us.

 

[clam1952]

If you start a new session, add all the ATLS stuff, name the items as recommended in Boats tutorials and merge the session layer with the route layer it will be there in the route layer whatever session you decide to create afterwards. Worked for me anyway. Note if you do that you can't alter it in the session layer as the settings are greyed out. You'd have to edit the route layer and merge the new session with the route layer again.

 

[heyrey]

There is no 'saving' issue Kris. Any Surveyor object which requires 'setting up' be it ATLS assets, interactive industries, some road intersections, whatever it be: it has - and always has had - it's set-up details saved to the session, not to the route.

All you have to do is load the session for edit, not the route and everything will retain its set-up details. If you load the route, you lose the lot. Every route builder operates within these parameters and every released route was built within these parameters. To save myself I cannot see where the issue lies.

The issue has nothing to do with ATLS or its method of operating, and I find your 'thumbs down' icon and the tone of your opening post frankly disrespectful. The ATLS system is one of the best left-field innovations ever in Trainz - a brilliant concept very cleverly executed.

Andy

It kind of is disrespectful. The ATLS system really helped me!

 

[boat]

Since the ATLS System won't save itself if you create a new session or delete one, isn't there a way where you can by just simply using the session you already have in order make a new where the old system carries over into the new one or will that mess everything up? That's what I loathe and despise about the ATLS System to me personally. I hate having to reset it when I make a new session then if I go back to an old one, then I still have to make it up again.

Hi Kris,
Well you have had several answers to this for keeping a 'Master Session' which you can do.
However, if you look at my instructions/tutorials for ATLS, you will see that all my ATLS assets can be saved to a ROUTE as well as a Session.
The information is available on both the in-asset instructions, ('?' in Surveyor) or on the pdf Tutorial on my website, www.boatztrainz.co.uk

SAVING TO THE MAP (if required)
All the settings you make in the ATLS will be saved to a Soup, so if you are running a Session that's all you need to do. In most cases you may name an asset to your choice and it will have no impact on its working, settings still being saved to a Soup. However, if you are saving purely for identification purposes, then you must avoid using the Control Characters. These characters are [ ] ( ).
If you want to save the settings you have made to a map, (if you are a Scenario script writer for example), then this may be done by saving the name of the asset as follows, using those Control Characters.
Open the Properties Dialogue Box of the ATLS asset you want to save and set it up as required. Then, look in the top left corner and you will see something like 'ATLS1[65,E,O]'.
This is an encoded representation of all the settings you have made to the asset. If you save the name of this asset EXACTLY as shown, the settings will be retained and recovered when you re-load the map. They will also work in a Scenario.
It’s important to keep the format exactly, including the square brackets and commas or it will either just not work, or may cause errors.
On occasions you may encounter the 'That Name Is Already In Use' message. If you do, don't save it but add '(A)' to the name you are saving. So you will save: 'ATLS 1[65,E,O](A)'. Use the letter (B), (C) etc., for subsequent clashes. The brackets are important.
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Hope that helps,
Boat

 

[Kris94]

Okay I'm seeing the top left hand thingy but it doesn't show ATLS1 65,E,O

 

[pfx]

Kris, the use of the icons is generally for highlighting a thread because, unlike the majority of yours, the thread contains something of particular note. By putting the thumbs down icon on this thread, you are suggesting something is very bad about ATLS and highlighting that fact, whether or not that is your intention. Quite why you use icons on all your threads is beyond me and it really isn't required.