Animation Question

[Len12]

Jan

Thanks for your help. I included, texturing, b.r.main, turned off double-sided: see text mesh below plus the pic which is again black. Again, I should note, I make numerous assets, I have never had this issue with normal asset making. Just animation applied to the asset and the net result in Trainz is a black asset though properly animated. :

0 File ID: JIRF, Chunk Size: 1956, (file size: 1964) File Type: IDXM
12 Chunk ID: INFO Size: 68 (next chunk: 88) Version: 104
24 Position: 0.000, 0.000, 0.000
36 Rotation: 1.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000
52 Number of CHNK type Chunks: 1
56 Influence per Vertex: 1, Influence per Chunk: 1
64 Mesh bounding box minimum X, Y, Z: -1.000, -1.000, -1.000
76 Mesh bounding box maximum X, Y, Z: 1.000, 1.000, 1.000
88 Chunk ID: CHNK Size: 1208 (next chunk: 1304) Version: 100
100 Chunk Index: 0
104 Chunk ID: MATL Size: 160 (next chunk: 272) Version: 103
116 Material Name Size: 20
120 Material Name: material.001m.onetex
140 Property Count: 0
144 Two Sided: 0
148 Opacity : 1.000
152 Ambient 1.000, 1.000, 1.000
164 Diffuse 1.000, 1.000, 1.000
176 Specular 0.250, 0.250, 0.250
188 Emissive 0.000, 0.000, 0.000
200 Shininess : 9.608
204 Number of textures: 1
208 Texture Type: 1 = TEX_DIFFUSE
212 Texture Name Size: 52
216 Texture Name: n:\OBJECTSOURCE\BlenderPics\EXPORTS\AA18ALL.texture
268 Texture Amount : 1.000
272 Chunk ID: GEOM Size: 1024 (next chunk: 1304) Version: 201
284 Primitive flags: 4 = GC_TRIANGLES
288 Number of primitive options: 0
292 Area: 24.000 Vertex Count: 24 Triangle Count: 12
304 Index Count: 36 Face Normal Count: 12 Max Influences: 1
316 Bone Name Size (V200): 0
---- VERTEX POSITIONS ---- SUPPRESSED
---- TRIANGLE INDICES ---- SUPPRESSED
---- VERTEX NORMALS ---- SUPPRESSED
---- TRIANGLE NORMALS ---- SUPPRESSED
1304 Chunk ID: INFL Size: 652 (next chunk: 1964) Version: 100
1316 Bone Count: 2
1320 Bone Name size: 8, Name: b.r.main
1332 Parent Name size: 0, Name:
1336 Local Position: [0.000, 0.000, 0.170]
1348 Local Orientation: [1.000, 0.000, 0.000]
1360 [0.000, 1.000, 0.000]
1372 [0.000, 0.000, 1.000]
1384 Influence Chunk Count: 1
1388 Influence index: 0
1392 Vertex Count: 0
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1396 Bone Name size: 12, Name: b.r.cube2
1412 Parent Name size: 8, Name: b.r.main
1424 Local Position: [0.000, 0.000, -0.170]
1436 Local Orientation: [1.000, 0.000, 0.000]
1448 [0.000, 1.000, 0.000]
1460 [0.000, 0.000, 1.000]
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1964 Eof

 

[Len12]

This is frustrating. I have some industries with Cemex Trucks I've made - one animated. That's the black one backing up to get cement. On the Rhone is a cargo ship animated with animated props going up and down - all black. Every time I export the inset picture is perfect as is the animation but not the asset in Trainz.

 

[Jananton]

Well, I wipped up a quick animation and, you guess it, exactly the same as what you have. If this worked before, then SP3 broke something in ts2010. That's the only solution I can think of. I've tried a direct anim tag as well as the effect animation option in the config.txt, but the result is the same, nice thumbnail, but black in the game.
I think you should drop an email in the Auran helpdesk and report the problem. Maybe they can fix it before SP4 is released.

Greetings from cloudy Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[Len12]

Well, I wipped up a quick animation and, you guess it, exactly the same as what you have. If this worked before, then SP3 broke something in ts2010. That's the only solution I can think of. I've tried a direct anim tag as well as the effect animation option in the config.txt, but the result is the same, nice thumbnail, but black in the game.
I think you should drop an email in the Auran helpdesk and report the problem. Maybe they can fix it before SP4 is released.

Greetings from cloudy Amsterdam,

Jan

Jan

Thanks Jan. But, hehe, I have not applied any of the SPs to 2010! I have the original without service packs. I'm thankful you've confirmed the black problem and it looks like the SPs have not done anything to help the issue. I'll email the helpdesk. By the way I'm using Nvidia GeForce GTS 250 1 gb card.

 

[bnsf50]

I Told you guys this started back in 09. See Thread #14 September 2nd. And the object I was having troublel with was made in gmax and no bump mapping was used. It worked just fine in 06 but the animated objects turned black in 09. Which means that blender dosen't seem to be the culprit here.
In 09 I can bring up the property's window up and the black objects textures will show up. This also occurs with some non animated attached objects.

 

[Len12]

I Told you guys this started back in 09. See Thread #14 September 2nd. And the object I was having troublel with was made in gmax and no bump mapping was used. It worked just fine in 06 but the animated objects turned black in 09. Which means that blender dosen't seem to be the culprit here.
In 09 I can bring up the property's window up and the black objects textures will show up. This also occurs with some non animated attached objects.

Ok at least I know now I'm not nuts. I emailed the help desk as well.

 

[Jananton]

Thanks Jan. But, hehe, I have not applied any of the SPs to 2010! I have the original without service packs. I'm thankful you've confirmed the black problem and it looks like the SPs have not done anything to help the issue. I'll email the helpdesk. By the way I'm using Nvidia GeForce GTS 250 1 gb card.

I'm using the same card, luckely, reading bnsf50's response, that's not the problem, nor is blender. Lets see what, or if you get a reaction from the helpdesk, 'couse this is litterally a real showstopper.
Maybe we should count our blessings that bogey animations aren't affected...:hehe:

Greetings from sunny Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[Len12]

I'm using the same card, luckely, reading bnsf50's response, that's not the problem, nor is blender. Lets see what, or if you get a reaction from the helpdesk, 'couse this is litterally a real showstopper.
Maybe we should count our blessings that bogey animations aren't affected...:hehe:

Greetings from sunny Amsterdam,

Jan

Thanks for spending time confirming this Jan. This is a significant issue without question.

 

[Len12]

For those following this issue I sent the issue to the helpdesk yesterday. It is a significant matter as any asset making involving animation is basically useless.

 

[Len12]

If anybody has a solution please contribute. No answer yet from the Helpdesk.

 

[narrowgauge]

Are you guys getting this problem with existing assets or just new ones. Is it related to new work that has been made in Blender or is new work from Gmax also affected?

I just checked with one of my locos that dates back to early TRS2004 and there was no sign of a problem, despite that there were two steam bogies with full animated valve gear. The cab has two drivers, animated with arm and foot movements, activated by the pantograph button.

I'm running TS2010 fully updated to SP3. If someone wants me to try a faulty one on my 'puter, shoot me an email via the forum (not a PM).

Peter

 

[Len12]

This is with newly created assets working with Blender 2.49b. It was also confirmed as noted. Just try a cube, animate it through Blender and create it for TRSS2010.

 

[narrowgauge]

Unfortunately I don't have Blender. I still use Gmax.

May I suggest that it may be a problem with the way that Blender files are exported to Trainz, has there been a recent update to either Blender or the exporter. I will make an animated box in Gmax and see what happens to me.

Peter

 

[belkenn]

The only time I have come across this; is when I set auto create to 1 for the shadow im in the config file.
I don’t know if this is your problem or not. As I only use G-Max.

Belkenn:wave:

 

[narrowgauge]

I made two boxes, both animated in different planes, a single blue texture and they exported as a scenery item to 2010 without a problem, still in the same blue, no black.
Your problem does not seem to be related to Gmax or TS2010.

One thing I did find, not connected with your problem, was that I could open my textures folder but could not select a texture, I had to merge something and use the texture from that.

Peter

 

[Len12]

To be clear, the animated asset looks perfectly fine in the preview window of TRS2010. The textures are fine, etc. It's when you place it in the main window of Trainz that it is black. As you can see in the postings this was replicated with others. I'm doing nothing different in asset making. Only when it is placed as an animated object in Trainz is it black.

 

[Len12]

Ticket created on the Help Desk on Sept. 5. Still no response.

 

[narrowgauge]

With all respect, this is not really an Auran problem, if everyone had it, it would be, but I use TS2010, and I can't replicate the problem with Gmax. It seems therefore that the problem lies with Blender, that is the most likely reason. Auran do not provide support for Blender.

Peter

 

[Len12]

With all respect, this is not really an Auran problem, if everyone had it, it would be, but I use TS2010, and I can't replicate the problem with Gmax. It seems therefore that the problem lies with Blender, that is the most likely reason. Auran do not provide support for Blender.

Peter

Do you know how many people use Blender to make assets? Significant enough to write an exporting script for it. If no one used Blender then there wouldn't be an exporting script. Blender and Trainz are not new kids on the block. With all due respect I think it is at least the developers problem. If Auran is the distributor/publisher I assume they forward these types of problems to the creators. Gmax is not the only tool used to create assets (thank God for that as far as I'm concerned).

 

[clam1952]

Do you know how many people use Blender to make assets? Significant enough to write an exporting script for it. If no one used Blender then there wouldn't be an exporting script. Blender and Trainz are not new kids on the block. With all due respect I think it is at least the developers problem. If Auran is the distributor/publisher I assume they forward these types of problems to the creators. Gmax is not the only tool used to create assets (thank God for that as far as I'm concerned).

Maybe take this direct to the guys who developed the exporter? http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=57664. They may also know what the problem with the exporter is.