bunkerrattmk2
CNW the left hand road.
right now my 4170 is running @4.6 with no problems ,it's stable and stays cool .with the framerates locked to 40 or 45 and trainz12 is smooth and lag free.
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AMD or Intel better?
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Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
Would this (http://www.harveynorman.com.au/asus-f401a-wx135s-laptop.html) be suitable for Trainz or any simulator? And no, I'm not associated with that group.
Edit: Just saw the specs, and found that it is shared graphics, and doesn't say if it's i3, 5 or 7.
Edit: Just saw the specs, and found that it is shared graphics, and doesn't say if it's i3, 5 or 7.
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
Yes, but AJ_Fox, I've found out that that one is only shared graphics. The summary of that computer makes it look like it has a dedicated graphics.
According to the specs its an Intel B970 running at 2.3Ghz. No idea how that relates to the i series. It does have an HDMI output so I guess you could plug it into your LCD/LED big screen TV. That's not something I've tried but I understand it can be spectacular.
It's a bit odd that I couldn't find that model on the official ASUS web site. I rather like ASUS motherboards but don't know how good their notebooks are. I'd want to try it in store.
It's a bit odd that I couldn't find that model on the official ASUS web site. I rather like ASUS motherboards but don't know how good their notebooks are. I'd want to try it in store.
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
Went to one of those stores, and the salesman tried to say that shared graphics on a physically smaller laptop would still runs Trainz (& MSTS) without jittering or whatever it is called.
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
Sorry to bring up an oldish thread (no I'm not!) In bit of a hurry to search properly.
What would be equivalent to i7 in AMD (or i5 as a last resort) please?
What would be equivalent to i7 in AMD (or i5 as a last resort) please?
cascaderailroad
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Whether Intel or AMD ... an old XP desktop that has been retrofiited, will out-perfom most laptops by lightyears.
It is my belief that a minimum of a 2-3 Gb RAM, with a 3.4 GHz CPU, with GT 650 video card, is the key to performance.
(I think Trainz only uses a maximum of 2Gb RAM).
Most laptops have either integrated graphics, or Turdo Boost (which are not intended for gaming).
Honestly ... Do you really think that a 16Gb RAM I7 laptop, will play Trainz any better than a 2-3 Gb RAM desktop that has been retrofitted with a great video card ? ! ! !
It is my belief that a minimum of a 2-3 Gb RAM, with a 3.4 GHz CPU, with GT 650 video card, is the key to performance.
(I think Trainz only uses a maximum of 2Gb RAM).
Most laptops have either integrated graphics, or Turdo Boost (which are not intended for gaming).
Honestly ... Do you really think that a 16Gb RAM I7 laptop, will play Trainz any better than a 2-3 Gb RAM desktop that has been retrofitted with a great video card ? ! ! !
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There are plenty of sites on the web that will give CPU comparisons. I've been building/rebuilding my own PCs for years although I'm starting to get a little rusty. I've used both AMD and Intel, but in my opinion there is generally not much between them. It often comes down to the price point you want to aim at. I never buy top of the range because of the price premium.
Fast video cards and faster i/o buses (SATA3 for example) would probably help Trainz more than a fast cpu. I have an SSD for Trainz and, frankly I don't think it any faster than the reasonably fast HDD I was using.
If you can find someone in the Trainz community who is happy with the combo they have, such as some in this thread, then that would be a better benchmark IMHO but still objective.
Based on a few reports I've read recently, don't buy an SSD or external drive that uses a USB port. Trainz doesn't seem to like them.
For CascadeRailRoad. Did you mean a 2-3TeraByte HDD? 2-3GBs isn't going to get you very far. Although I recall thinking a 3MB hard disk (lift out platters) was the ants pants back in the early 80's.:hehe:
Actually, I'm starting to think about a new machine mostly for running Trainz. I'll be starting with the video card and working back from taht.
Fast video cards and faster i/o buses (SATA3 for example) would probably help Trainz more than a fast cpu. I have an SSD for Trainz and, frankly I don't think it any faster than the reasonably fast HDD I was using.
If you can find someone in the Trainz community who is happy with the combo they have, such as some in this thread, then that would be a better benchmark IMHO but still objective.
Based on a few reports I've read recently, don't buy an SSD or external drive that uses a USB port. Trainz doesn't seem to like them.
For CascadeRailRoad. Did you mean a 2-3TeraByte HDD? 2-3GBs isn't going to get you very far. Although I recall thinking a 3MB hard disk (lift out platters) was the ants pants back in the early 80's.:hehe:
Actually, I'm starting to think about a new machine mostly for running Trainz. I'll be starting with the video card and working back from taht.
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
ill have to reply later
cascaderailroad
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NO ... I meant what I said: Trainz only will use a maximum of 2GB (GiggaBytes) of RAM (3 GiggaBytes of RAM is reccomended) ... a 500 Giggabyte Hard Drive will run Trainz (although a 1Terrabyte Hard Drive is recommended.For CascadeRailRoad. Did you mean a 2-3TeraByte HDD? 2-3GBs isn't going to get you very far. Although I recall thinking a 3MB hard disk (lift out platters) was the ants pants back in the early 80's.:hehe:
The key is the CPU speed of 3.4GHz and a GT650 video card ... you can have a 16 Giggabyte RAM laptop, with a low end video chip ... and it will play Trainz like: http://www.google.com/search?q=carp...Hi4AOMo4GIBQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1424&bih=713
Turdo Boost is only meant for short spurts of processing speed ... NOT for gaming !
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LNERlover5
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Cascade, raw CPU speed is not the full story any more, your example could include a P4 and an I5, in single thread performance at the same clock speed I know what I would take regardless. It falls down to numerous factors these days. An SSD is much better for trainz also. I ran 09 on both an M4 SSD and a 1TB Caviar Black HDD with the SSD making a significant difference in terms of the amount of screen freezes due to loading large a mounts of assets for routes. For RAM however yes there are limitations in what the software can use but that doesn't mean we should avoid the finer details of speed and latencies.
johnwhelan
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NO ... I meant what I said: Trainz only will use a maximum of 2GB (GiggaBytes) of RAM (3 GiggaBytes of RAM is reccomended) ... a 500 Giggabyte Hard Drive will run Trainz (although a 1Terrabyte Hard Drive is recommended.
The key is the CPU speed of 3.4GHz and a GT650 video card ... you can have a 16 Giggabyte RAM laptop, with a low end video chip ... and it will play Trainz like: http://www.google.com/search?q=carp...Hi4AOMo4GIBQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1424&bih=713
Turdo Boost is only meant for short spurts of processing speed ... NOT for gaming !
Although TS2009-TS12 are 32 bit programs they can use up to 4 gigs of memory under a 64 bit operating system. They are only limited to 2 gigs under a 32 bit one.
Cheerio John
Cascade, I'm curious where you got the idea "Turdo Boost" (was this an intentional typo with the potty reference?) is only for short bursts. TB is exactly the same as manually overclocking using the BIOS, just that it's all done automatically. Therefore, you get power when you need it (ie. playing Trainz), and lower power consumption (longer battery life) when you don't. Pretty useful actually.
Cheerio,
Nicholas
Cheerio,
Nicholas
Cascade, I'm curious where you got the idea "Turdo Boost" (was this an intentional typo with the potty reference?) is only for short bursts. TB is exactly the same as manually overclocking using the BIOS, just that it's all done automatically. Therefore, you get power when you need it (ie. playing Trainz), and lower power consumption (longer battery life) when you don't. Pretty useful actually.
Cheerio,
Nicholas
I wondered that too. LOL.
Turbo Boost is not helpful for Trainz or any constantly heavy-use program. What it does is increase the CPU speed, temporarily, for short bursts for those times when copying lots of files needs the extra speed, or burning discs, RIPping music, etc. When a system is constantly operating at this higher speed, this causes the CPU to overheat rather than cool back down during the intermittent bursts. The constant heat causes the CPU to throttle back and slow down rather than operate faster.
John
I was referring to the size of the hard disk you recommended and not the amount of RAM.NO ... I meant what I said: Trainz only will use a maximum of 2GB (GiggaBytes) of RAM (3 GiggaBytes of RAM is reccomended) ....
I just brought up Microsoft's Resource Manager that is a tool for measuring the amount of resources used by programs. If one is going to analyse Trainz performance RM can be a useful tool.
Trainz and Taddaemon are not exactly memory hogs but that would probably depend on the route in question. Likewise, they didn't seem to use much CPU time - 14% at idle with a test route and a single stationary consist.
Memory hogs include Explorer, Chrome and probably Internet Explorer. I like Chrome but each open page uses quite a bit of memory. So if you want Trainz to run faster then shut those sort of applications down. I regularly have Trainz running with Blender, an image editor, AssetX, Chrome and several Windows Explorers running in the background. This is with only 6GB RAM and an I7-920 processor (2.67Ghz).
One thing that did get my attention was that Trainz had two network wait chains that appeared to be stuck even though there was no network activity. In plain speak it seems that Trainz is waiting for data from somewhere (N3V server perhaps?). I might check that again over the next few days.
I've never bothered with overclocking CPUs, mostly because I doubt if I have any apps that could use it. I'd much rather have faster I/O and faster video.
cascaderailroad
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I stand corrected ... 4 GB of RAM for 64 bit OSAlthough TS2009-TS12 are 32 bit programs they can use up to 4 gigs of memory under a 64 bit operating system. They are only limited to 2 gigs under a 32 bit one.Cheerio John
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Memory hogs include Explorer, Chrome and probably Internet Explorer. I like Chrome but each open page uses quite a bit of memory. So if you want Trainz to run faster then shut those sort of applications down. I regularly have Trainz running with Blender, an image editor, AssetX, Chrome and several Windows Explorers running in the background. This is with only 6GB RAM and an I7-920 processor (2.67Ghz).
I shut down everything possible when running Trainz, via Razer Game Booster. No open browser, no other programs, I even shut down Windows Explorer.
I wondered that too. LOL.
Turbo Boost is not helpful for Trainz or any constantly heavy-use program. What it does is increase the CPU speed, temporarily, for short bursts for those times when copying lots of files needs the extra speed, or burning discs, RIPping music, etc. When a system is constantly operating at this higher speed, this causes the CPU to overheat rather than cool back down during the intermittent bursts. The constant heat causes the CPU to throttle back and slow down rather than operate faster.
John
After reading the thread discussing this on this forum a while back and some supplemental reading, I made sure Turbo Boost was disabled on my system.
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