Adding Track in Session layer Changes Route?

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teeps

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Hi there,

I've been working on a simple session for msgsapper's Florida route, and I'm trying to put in a new industry. I have locked the route layer, and selected the session layer, but everyone I add a bit of track spline it alters the underlying route so when I try to save it wants to create a new version of the route as well. This happens even if the track is not connected to the existing track layout. This doesn't seem right, but I can't figure out anyway to make it not alter the route layer.

Can anyone give me a solution for editing new track in without changing the underlying route please?

Cheers,
Mark
 
NEVER alter your route in Session Layer. Merger your Session layer into the Route layer first. If you don't, you're just asking for trouble.

My experience anyhow.

Dave
 
davesnow said:
NEVER alter your route in Session Layer. Merger your Session layer into the Route layer first. If you don't, you're just asking for trouble.
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davesnow- It's wrong. If you wish that original route stay untouched, then you must work in session layer. And if you merge session layer in route layer, then the route will be saved with your kuid.

teeps- search on forum, wreeder start the thread with layers problems

regards
celje
 
@ OP I don't think you can add track in any circumstance without having to re-save the route. I'd be creating a new version of the route anyway before I tried any editing.

@ Dave - sorry if I mis-read you but if I understand your post correctly then I'm with celje. I can't think of a single condition where I would ever load a route for edit other than via the session. Loading via the route is going to lose every setting for signals, industries, road intersections and goodness only knows all what else. Golden rule of route-building: Never load the route,...

Andy ;)
 
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I do everything in Edit Route,Track,building,signals,junctions,etc,etc and make changes to route if i fine something needed adding.
Now in Edit Session the only thing i do there is add rules,commands,& set up INDs.
Now i maybe wrong but i thank that if you exit edit route you should overwrite the route and save the session as the same name as before then overwrite that.
 
There is a potential problem that can be encountered if track is laid in the session layer - the inability to place trackside objects like signals.

I had to help a user out recently who had done just that, and found he couldn't place items like signals on that particular part of the track.

Shane
 
shaneturner12 said:
There is a potential problem that can be encountered if track is laid in the session layer
Shane
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From my experience the only problem i had was, that some anomalies are shown after save the session, when you made the break playing.

Derrmy said:''I don't think you can add track in any circumstance without having to re-save the route. I'd be creating a new version of the route anyway before I tried any editing.''

No, it's possible, look sessions Avery and ECML
 
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You're probably lucky then.​

I've known that it is not possible to place trackside objects on track laid in the session layer in some circumstances.​

Shane​
 
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I have read said answer, but I am advising caution.

Ask Ghost42 for example. He was unable to place some trackside objects on a stretch of track, and discovered it was because it was on the session layer.

I have also encountered issues with track on the session layer (inability to place trackside objects like signals) in TS2009 SP4. This was only rectified by merging a blank route with my current route and merging the route layers, which moved some of the track items from the session layer to the route layer.

Shane
 
shaneturner12 said:
There is a potential problem that can be encountered if track is laid in the session layer - the inability to place trackside objects like signals.

I had to help a user out recently who had done just that, and found he couldn't place items like signals on that particular part of the track.

Shane
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Then the layer wasn't the issue. I NEVER work on anything but the session layer. Never. Ever. No exceptions. It's bombproof...

shaneturner12 said:
Ask Ghost42 for example. He was unable to place some trackside objects on a stretch of track, and discovered it was because it was on the session layer.
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I'm not saying his track wasn't on the session later, and I'm not saying he could/should have been able to pace signals etc. but what I am emphatically stating is that the reason he could not place trackside objects was NOT the fact that the track was on the session layer. Something else was awry...

Andy :)
 
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I hope so too.

The amount of problems I've had involving layers in TS2009 SP4 (trains on hidden layers, inability to place trackside objects etc), you can probably see why I am very cautious with layers.

Shane
 
Well i haved the problem when i added some track marks in edit route, that what i set up in the session was gone. Now to fix that i went to content manager broth up the session before the last saved and in the config file changed the route kuid to the last route kuid # and everything was saved.
 
shaneturner12

I apologize, i didn't see that you have not TS10, sessions were made for TS10 and you have not possibility to run them.

regards
celje
 
I think N3V have a lot to answer for then. It is them who advertise TS2010 content (including routes) as TS2009 SP4/TS2010, as well as adding layers on the Merge Route dialog box.

Even routes I have created myself in TS2009 SP4 have said issue, with no easy fix.

No need to apologise, as I was simply stating the issues I've had.

I will look into getting TS2010 soon, and see if my route still has said issues.

Shane
 
Dermmy said:
Dave - sorry if I mis-read you but if I understand your post correctly then I'm with celje. I can't think of a single condition where I would ever load a route for edit other than via the session. Loading via the route is going to lose every setting for signals, industries, road intersections and goodness only knows all what else. Golden rule of route-building: Never load the route,...

Andy ;)
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I know what you're saying, Andy! :D And what I should have said was, and what I ALWAYS do is--- I open my Route in the Session Layer--- Then (and this is what I do) I immediately MERGE the Session Layer into the Route Layer and then begin my work. I have never had any problems doing this. Maybe I'm going about it all wrong, but this is what I do. I guess I'm not a big fan of Layers. IMHO, they are absolutely necessary in programs like Photoshop, but (to me) unnecessary in Trainz. Just my opinion. (And I could change my opinion in the future if I see a need for Layers in Trainz).

Cheers!

Dave
 
@ davesnow Hi Dave. Do you have more than one session for your route?

IMO, if a route has only one session layer and one route layer then merging the layers is redundant since the two layers are separated anyway (with different kuids). And if you have multiple sessions for one route then it is necessary to keep the route kuid intact and only modify sessions.

If you modify the route layer then, to keep multiple sessions intact, it is necessary to have a different version of the map for each session, is that not so?

Merging is only effective (IMO) when there is more than one layer in either the session or the route. This combines e.g. two route layers into one, which sort of defeats the object of having layers in the first place.

What do the other users think?

Trevor
 
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