William0d0
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I know from experience that if you place signals on the session layer it will cause junctions to reset early derailing any AI trains.
I lost a few days figuring that one out.:'(
Adding Track in Session layer Changes Route?
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I know from experience that if you place signals on the session layer it will cause junctions to reset early derailing any AI trains.
I lost a few days figuring that one out.:'(
I tried very hard to NOT give the impression that i was 'disbelieving'.
I build routes now exclusively in TS10 SP4, exactly the same version. I NEVER load anything in Surveyor but the session layer. I NEVER work on anything except the session layer. Never. Ever. Every week or so when I remember I merge the session layer into the route layer. I then immediately save and reload the session layer.
The issue you link to in the other thread is not something I 'disbelieve'. There was an issue and it was fixed. But if the sole issue in that thread was track on the session layer then my routes simply would not be possible. You cannot lay the issue in that thread at the feet of the session layer. It simply isn't so. Something else was at fault.
The issue could have been the specific track, the specific trackside assets, a save glitch, a content database glitch, a zillion other things which i suspect have not been eliminated by testing.
The ONLY reason I can think of that the trackside assets would not 'take' is that the track was on one layer and the attempt was made to place the trackside assets with another layer active. That is NOT the same as 'issues with the track on the session layer'. The result would have been identical if the track was on the route layer and the trackside objects were attempted in the session layer. Either way it is user error, nothing to do with layers.
There would be very few people spend more time actively route building in Surveyor in TS10 than I, and I emphatically state that the best, safest way to build routes in that product is to load and work on only the session layer. Early on I used the route layer and participated in the 'layers suck' debates very much against them on account of the number of route-building and save issues i was having. There is a long thread somewhere that put me on to the 'Session Layer' thing - it is utterly totally (so far!) bombproof...
Andy
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I guess you're probably right - but only in the case of the version mentioned or above.
I can confirm that the issue is present in TS2009 SP4, but haven't been able to test it in TS2010.
Shane
I can confirm that the issue is present in TS2009 SP4, but haven't been able to test it in TS2010.
Shane
I,m with you derrmy. I never ever EVER load a route. Always the session and if only working on the route, I click on route layer and continue.
Only when I am working on a session will I work in session layer and then only so set products, add trackmarks, direction cones and trains with instuctions.
The session is then given a new name and only used if I want to run it.
I agree other problems can occur but I find 2012 is pretty infallible.
baz
Only when I am working on a session will I work in session layer and then only so set products, add trackmarks, direction cones and trains with instuctions.
The session is then given a new name and only used if I want to run it.
I agree other problems can occur but I find 2012 is pretty infallible.
baz
I think this layers lark is more trouble than it's worth and would much prefer the last system of route/session creation.
This forum is flooded with people who have lost their work and can't figure out how to move or add assets, consists disappearing, ghost trains, the list goes on and on.
Very rarely did we see these problems before layers came along.
Wow!
I just read through this thread and the waters are even more muddy.
I will be the first to admit that saving routes/sessions, "save/"save as", route layer/session layers have been one of the most confusing concepts in Trainz.
Maybe I've been doing it wrong for years but...
I make all my route building changes by loading then saving and replacing the route with the same name. I only use load and edit the session for rolling stock, driver rules, yarn intersections, etc. I've had some quirky things happen in the past to the "route" when trying to build the route via "edit session".
As far as layers I find them very helpful but I keep them simple. I always use the route layers. When you need place an object just perfect while not disturbing your previous work they are invaluable. I use the route layer quite a bit. I still really don't see the value of the session layer though.
Again, maybe I'm doing it all wrong but it seems to be working for me.
I just read through this thread and the waters are even more muddy.
I will be the first to admit that saving routes/sessions, "save/"save as", route layer/session layers have been one of the most confusing concepts in Trainz.
Maybe I've been doing it wrong for years but...
I make all my route building changes by loading then saving and replacing the route with the same name. I only use load and edit the session for rolling stock, driver rules, yarn intersections, etc. I've had some quirky things happen in the past to the "route" when trying to build the route via "edit session".
As far as layers I find them very helpful but I keep them simple. I always use the route layers. When you need place an object just perfect while not disturbing your previous work they are invaluable. I use the route layer quite a bit. I still really don't see the value of the session layer though.
Again, maybe I'm doing it all wrong but it seems to be working for me.
This is exactly how I do it as well. Sessions to me are for the session stuff such as trains, drivers, rules, etc. The Route is for track, roads, signal placement, etc.
I also don't care about the "default" session because my real driver sessions, are given unique names, and there are never empty duplicates of those.
John