About the defect detector voice in TS12

[JonMyrlennBailey]

It can be heard all over the route globally for every train that passes it, not just the train I am occupying at the time.

Ideally, it should be heard only when the train "you are on" in Driver passes it and be heard only with information for the train you are on.

The nice thing is that it always says "no defects". My Trainz axles never overheat.

The voice talks even in free-roaming view (on board no train).

I have the detector (one instance of it) installed on a model Trainz layout with a two-track loop 7.10 scale miles long.

If nine or ten trains are running at once, some in each direction, the detector voice will be heard quite frequently anywhere my camera is looking on the route.

A particular train is occupied by the human game player when the camera is in any mode but free-roaming view.

The detector voice should only pertain to one given occupied train at the time it is going through the detector checkpoint.

 

[SailorDan]

The detector voice should only pertain to one given occupied train at the time it is going through the detector checkpoint.

If an asset doesn't behave the way that you expect it to behave you are free to select a different one, or modify it, or create your own.

 

[JonMyrlennBailey]

It's probably just best that I dispose of the detector voice on a small-scale Trainz "modelz" layout anyway.

I could have a home-rolled recording in my own voice that puts out "detector information" at random and place it near the detector structure on the track.

I would hear it from the cab as the train I'm driving rolled past.

That lozenge-shaped thing that's the detector voice is visible in Trainz anyway and looks out of place.

I'm not a software engineer by trade. This asset is OK for large Routes whereby trains don't pass the detector often.

I do think my railroad radio downstream sounds cool in the background while I'm playing Trainz. It averts the boredom somewhat.

 

[JonMyrlennBailey]

If an asset doesn't behave the way that you expect it to behave you are free to select a different one, or modify it, or create your own.

Perhaps, somebody here knows of a detector voice content that acts more to my liking already perhaps from an independent source. It might have to be an onboard sound object that actually travels with the train such as the loco's engine and horn. A trigger would have to also detect the beginning and end of the train. Perhaps the Trainz software itself by design virtue does not permit this level of realism.

Realistic in-cab radio commo may be in the works for upcoming editions of this game as well as operating cab doors on locos. The world's master software engineers may be laboring on this in the top-secret Trainz laboratory right now. Moreover, I would like a camera view that let's me virtually stand on the end porch of an engine, walk along the side of the engine's railings or hang on the end of a railcar as if I were a yard worker or switch operator.

There someday may be Trainz:As Real As It Gets (TARAIG) (pron. "tar rag")

 

[cascaderailroad]

It might have to be an onboard sound object that actually travels with the train such as the loco's engine and horn. A trigger would have to also detect the beginning and end of the train. Perhaps the Trainz software itself by design virtue does not permit this level of realism.

Realistic in-cab radio commo may be in the works for upcoming editions of this game as well as operating cab doors on locos. The world's master software engineers may be laboring on this in the top-secret Trainz laboratory right now. Moreover, I would like a camera view that let's me virtually stand on the end porch of an engine, walk along the side of the engine's railings or hang on the end of a railcar as if I were a yard worker or switch operator.

You will have to be the inventor of such an asset, as nothing like this exists … And as for: "The world's master software engineers may be laboring on this in the top-secret Trainz laboratory right now" … You must be dreaming

 

[JonMyrlennBailey]

I was actually being sarcastic.

Software Invention 101 is where I flunked in high school.

 

[btvfd]

Which detector are you using?

 

[JonMyrlennBailey]

Which detector are you using?

Defects detector, male voice,<kuid2:30671:23307:3> by llj.

Packaged in TS12 as standard equipment. There's a woman's voice edition too by the same author but I haven't tried it. I think it will operate globally also and not be limited to a distance within specific train as I would like. It is something that shouldn't even be audible when the camera is in fee-roaming.

It could be assumed by llj that YOU, the human player of Trainz, are the dispatcher for all trains on your entire route and that the defects voice announcements would be heard on the tower radio for every train that passes it. The thing is the defects detector voice doesn't announce the identity of each and every train that passses it, only its speed and number of axles. American railroads usually assign a 4-digit train ID number that is used in commo and it's not necessarily the number on the number board of a locomotive. For Amtrak, one might hear something like "Amtrak 5-7-9-8" over railroad radio. On a small route as a model train setup, trains may be passing this thing about every one to two minutes and hearing "detector milepost zero-point-zero-..." all over the route this frequently gets irritating.

I don't think the conductor on board a freight train is going to hear the defects detector voice for each and every train passing a specific device in his region on his own loco cab radio. He might hear this announcement for only his train. A conductor only manages one train at a time, the one he occupies, while a dispatcher manages a fleet.

My philosophy is that train communications should only be heard within the scope of the train they pertain to unless the dispatcher is announcing a transmission to a number of trains.

The defects detector message only pertains to the train passing the device at any given time. It's not something that should be broadcast all over the Route.

 

[cascaderailroad]

Defects detector, male voice,<kuid2:30671:23307:3> by llj.

Packaged in TS12 as standard equipment. There's a woman's voice edition too by the same author but I haven't tried it. I think it will operate globally also and not be limited to a distance within specific train as I would like. It is something that shouldn't even be audible when the camera is in fee-roaming.

But it IS heard globally in the real world

It could be assumed by llj that YOU, the human player of Trainz, are the dispatcher for all trains on your entire route and that the defects voice announcements would be heard on the tower radio for every train that passes it. The thing is the defects detector voice doesn't announce the identity of each and every train that passses it, only its speed and number of axles. American railroads usually assign a 4-digit train ID number that is used in commo and it's not necessarily the number on the number board of a locomotive. For Amtrak, one might hear something like "Amtrak 5-7-9-8" over railroad radio. On a small route as a model train setup, trains may be passing this thing about every one to two minutes and hearing "detector milepost zero-point-zero-..." all over the route this frequently gets irritating.

So a railfan watching trains should turn his scanner off if it gets too irritating

I don't think the conductor on board a freight train is going to hear the defects detector voice for each and every train passing a specific device in his region on his own loco cab radio. He might hear this announcement for only his train. A conductor only manages one train at a time, the one he occupies, while a dispatcher manages a fleet.

But he does hear the radio transmission, even thousands of miles away … So your THINKING is ALL WRONG

My philosophy is that train communications should only be heard within the scope of the train they pertain to unless the dispatcher is announcing a transmission to a number of trains.

So then … Your philosophy is TOTALLY FLAWED and is ALL WRONG, as the dispatcher is not communicating 1 on 1 with the train via personal cell phone call, he is transmitting GLOBALLY, to the entire world

The defects detector message only pertains to the train passing the device at any given time. It's not something that should be broadcast all over the Route.

You are NEVER, EVER going to be able to get this feature … A prototype RR radio transmission, and a distant defect detector can be heard by all locomotive crews, on all trains, and by any railfan, thousands of miles away

 

[JonMyrlennBailey]

That doesn't make sense: one single defects detector broadcasting to many thousands of ears.

A train with a defect only concerns the train that has the said defect and only those railroad authorities that have control over that particular train.

If I'm a Southwest airline pilot over Texas, do I need to hear that a plane over Nevada is having engine trouble in my own cockpit?

If I'm a conductor on a UP train passing through Utah, why is it my business to even hear the defects report of another UP train passing through California?

It sounds like railroad radio networks would get overwhelmingly swamped with all those defects reports for all those trains.

I've had railroad radio live from Roseville, California streaming to my PC via the TuneIn.com website all day long yesterday and all morning today and haven't heard a single defects message or so much as heard the word "milepost" uttered.

I sure hear the word OVER a lot, however, and an occasional OUT.
I hear a lot of static (fart sounds) too making me think that RR radio technology
in 2019 is so embarrassingly 1950's. Do train radios even have squelch knobs?

 

[cascaderailroad]

RR radio is becoming like police radio … unintelligible garbled chatter, with encrypted transmission tones, whereby the average scanner listener oftentimes hears an helium gas alien voice, and can not understand what is being said.

So your one and only wish is to hear this garbage onboard your train ?

 

[JonMyrlennBailey]

No, I had easy-to-understand clear English language in mind. Something like Lionel's Tower Talk product.

"This is ESS PEE FIVE-ZERO-NINER-TWO, do you copy, 'spatch?"

(Charlie Brown grandma-on-telephone garble: "wah, woh, wah-wah, woh...")

"Say again, 'spatch?"

"Dispatch, yep, I copy five-zero-niner-two, over..."

"The air-conditioner is on the fritz in my engine cab, over..."

"Well, turn the fan on then if you are hot and complain later to your union boss, dispatch out!"

 

[SailorDan]

Defects detector, male voice,<kuid2:30671:23307:3> by llj.

Packaged in TS12 as standard equipment. There's a woman's voice edition too by the same author but I haven't tried it.

Why don't you check it and find out. You could also consider checking each of the other 5 defect detectors on the DLS, or searching at third party sites. There's not much point in moaning about what other content creators have or haven't done if you haven't even looked at what's available.

 

[JonMyrlennBailey]

No, too much trouble. I just have a recording with my voice placed near the visible detector tower with dragging defects object on track.
Just an easily-cloned-and-modified invisible audio object with a WAV file.

The voice recording is set at a range of 450 meters and at volume of 65 using txt config scripting parameters and just repeatedly says:

"Milepost, zero-point-zero (five-second pause) ... milepost zero-point-zero, two-five-four axles, train speed five-zero emm-pee-aitch, no defects, detector out"

This is what I will hear when I drive my train by at 50 MPH even in an Amtrak MOW truck with only three axles going 25 MPH.

The voice volume and range is just about right for hearing my trackside recording only once from the cab before the train speeds out of range of the sound object at 50 MPH.

If I park my free-roaming mouse near the detector, it will play repeatedly like a broken record.

I only have a limited amount of sophistication for fiddling with content for effect so much of it I just wing it.

My setup is a bit mickey-mouse but it is a little extra fun. I have a recording of small engine buzz near the guy in the farmer hat pushing the red lawn mower.

 

[cascaderailroad]

You could also go right back to the original idear' of creating the most fabulous route ever created, and forget completely about AI automatic control, and radio sounds … and you would be much happier

 

[JonMyrlennBailey]

No, can't control ten trains at once by myself. I just have to wing it at Trainz though it's not a perfectionist product.
Trainz for all its rough edges is still more fun than computer solitaire online checkers and much cheaper than the world's
most expensive garden model train layout in G scale.

 

[cascaderailroad]

Well Then … Continue to have fun with all that overly complex dream stuff... It seems that you are having never ending, continual problems, with AI, and all the other overly complex dream stuff, that does not seem to function all that well at all, and does not live up to your expectations: Things that you seem to demand, that they "Should" be working absolutely your way, in your own expert philosophy(s) of Trainz and railroad functionalities ... Some things are just not possible

You can not load a defect detector, or railroad radio sound, onboard a locomotive, or onboard a consist, as a commodity ... nor can you carry it onboard, and put it in a woman passengers pocketbook (like a portable RR Scanner), and listen in on RR radio

It is possible to figure out how the Razorback Rwy in TRS2006 got Yakety-Yak RR radio chatter to work so well ... and incorporate that into your route

Search here: https://www.auran.com/DLS/index.php
Title: "Chatter"
Description: "Chatter"

And check out how Gary_Evans made railroad radio work in his routes and sessions