A Note On Heat

Just for discussion, show n tell? ☺️

I bought a Thermaltake Core X71 extra large tower case a couple of years ago. Best case I've seen for ventilation/cooling with a decent price point of 150 USD, although I paid alot less for mine on sale.

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Highly configurable internals, all removeable, with the only plastic being the sliding HDD drawers. All steel construction, inside and out. (y)
It has 4 side removeable side panels with one being a smoky tempered glass, and the front panel removes as well, covering space for 3 large intake fans.
The top panel and front panel both have thinline filters, and micro screens, the smaller lower side panels have micro screens to reduce dust intake as well.
The filter screens are washable.

Top case wall can accept triple fan water cooling mounts, the rear wall has room for only one large output fan.
The interior mounts are somewhat configurable, holding any size motherboard, 4 internal HDD, and up to 5 Internal SSD drives.
Space for a 2 DVD drives and overall huge amounts of air circulation space, with the power supply held in the lower 7 inch tall component compartment.

The power supply compartment is huge, and will accept cooling fans as well.

Lot's of pics on the Amazon sellers page here >>> Thermaltake Core X71 Tempered Glass Edition SPCC ATX Full Tower Tt LCS Certified Gaming Computer Case with 2 140 Blue Front Fan + 1 140 Black Rear Fan Pre-Installed CA-1F8-00M1WN-02


Rico
 
WestSideRailways said:
doesn't matter where you put it, it will still suck the dirt in...
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Absolutely. But off of the floor and it will do it a WHOLE lot slower. Where I used to work, all the PCs were on the floor. Overheating problems were very common. Machines would get vacuumed and blown out regularly, but still overheating problems continued. I argued for over a year to get them off of the floor. Finally, they had someone built little wooden stands for them that were about 12" tall. Overheating problems vanished.

Dirt and hair settle to the floor. You walking around, moving your feet under the desk, fans or AC units or forced-air heating units all help blow that stuff around. Intake fans on the PC suck it right in.

I didn't say that getting it off of the floor would cause it to run cooler right away. I said that getting it off of the floor will keep it running cooler longer. Unless you like removing the side cover and vacuuming it out once a week or so.
 
Another note on HEAT: I have a fan blowing a light breeze in to the "computer room". from a hallway. The air is no cooler, but it disturbs the air around the PC clearing it of a possible "little Heat Dome". Using TS2019 , and doing texture editing, most cores (of 12) stay in the 80C range. If I change elevations some go to 90C range but no "over heats". Moving air also aids personal evaporation and thus helps keep body temperature within reason. Outside temperature 90F. TS2022 - doing same changes resulted in one core quickly hitting 100C. For me, the safest thing is to all editing in TS2019 and rely on CDPs to TS2022.
 
boleyd said:
I ran TS2019 yesterday with a room temperature of 77F. The CPU temperature monitor showed 94C as the top number in the afternoon. I switched to TRS2022 and it hit 100C cutoff several times. All those "deluxe" graphics calculations (3 dimensional ) eat CPU cycles.
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While this discussion is largely focused on air flow, if your CPU is hitting 94C, my concern would be with the thermal paste application. Don't assume that a pre-built was properly put together with quality components. I've seen a lot of shoddy applications of grease and or thermal pads in new computers.
 
wreeder said:
I came across this device in a video for camera tools under $50. At $29.95 it looks like something that might be useful for keeping a PC free of dust as well has camera gear.
Nitecore BB Nano Portable Air Blower
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@wreeder - That one looks like it would work pretty well. I like that it's American made, as most other blowers at this price range are Chinese/Korean and the quality control and component quality for those brands is abysmal.

Rico
 
Yes, I agree. I ordered one to try. I like the fact that it is small enough to twist around to get different angles in the case of your computer.
 
Trainz members back on this heat topic when running games that require high CPU usage.

My heat problem solution:
Finally decided to upgrade my computer using a new gaming PC case with a glass door with a handle, four fans, with plenty of air holes sides and top of casing.
On hotter days one can open the glass door to allow more heat to escape if needed.
I installed a new motherboard, with faster ram (3200 MHZ) DDR4 duel channel and upgraded to Windows 11,
Upgraded to a RYZEN 5 5500 chip that operates between 3.6 GHZ and can boost to 4.2 GHZ speed (awesome for high demanding games).
A new SSD and HDD installed.
Plus install an RTX 3050 GPU with 8 GB 128 bit GDDR6 graphics card.
Installed Windows 11 to the SSD.
Re-installed TANE and TRS 2019 to the HDD from the Steam download station (a fresh copy with no bugs).

All installed games are now running to satisfaction set on higher graphic levels, and lower monitored heat readings.

My performance and heat problem is now resolved.
davies_mike57
 
Repeat once again the most effective and also cost-free way to combat hardware excessive heating:

If you do not want strong heating, turn on the V-Sync in the launcher settings. If the heating does not decrease significantly, turn on V-Sync - half.
Without V-Sync enabled, any, even the most top-end hardware will be loaded at 100% always.
V-Sync limits the FPS to the value required by your monitor and set in the monitor specification and hardware does not generate unnecessary frames.

And I will add the following. With a CPU, the number of cores is 4, like mine or less, always turn on V-Sync - half.
If you do not do this, you will get excessive heating of the equipment, constant image delays, disappeared details of the environment and much more.
 
boleyd said:
Using a medium sized selection circle, what temperatures are you getting on the cores when editing textures and elevations in TS2022?
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Just adding a note to this topic.
Have not yet purchased the TS 2022 product so one cannot personally comment on the performance when in Surveyor 2 editor mode.
I actually downloaded monitoring software specially designed for the installed Geforce GTX 3050 GPU.
With this tool one can limit the power, monitor fan speeds, frame rate and target a power consumption level to the GPU (I target 80%).
Suppose if one is creating or editing a route in Surveyor Mode then a lower power setting and run at half V-Sync would be advantageous.
One could spend hours creating a route saving on power consumption.
Crank up the performance when in driver mode.
Thanks for the V-Sync - half tip.
 
davies_mike57 said:
Just adding a note to this topic.
Have not yet purchased the TS 2022 product so one cannot personally comment on the performance when in Surveyor 2 editor mode.
I actually downloaded monitoring software specially designed for the installed Geforce GTX 3050 GPU.
With this tool one can limit the power, monitor fan speeds, frame rate and target a power consumption level to the GPU (I target 80%).
Suppose if one is creating or editing a route in Surveyor Mode then a lower power setting and run at half V-Sync would be advantageous.
One could spend hours creating a route saving on power consumption.
Crank up the performance when in driver mode.
Thanks for the V-Sync - half tip.
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Have not found a separate thread for this, and therefore I will thank you for your fantastic routes and sessions here.
I downloaded it all starting from version 3.7 and above. It works great on TC19 and brings a lot of joy.

Thank you so much.

And by the way, the hardware does not overheat with these routes. :)
 
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:W. Reeder:
I came across this device in a video for camera tools under $50. At $29.95 it looks like something that might be useful for keeping a PC free of dust as well has camera gear.
Nitecore BB Nano Portable Air Blower
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The ideal would be a blower/vacuum that allows you to dislodge the dust and quickly remove it, not allowing it to resettle on components. At the very least a good manual vacuuming seems to be needed.
 
You can get an set of attachments for that device that will turn it into a vacuum. I think it is another $13 dollars. I received the one I order and it is very powerful. I ordered the attachment set yesterday.
 
oldman777 said:
Have not found a separate thread for this, and therefore I will thank you for your fantastic routes and sessions here.
I downloaded it all starting from version 3.7 and above. It works great on TC19 and brings a lot of joy.

Thank you so much.

And by the way, the hardware does not overheat with these routes. :)
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oldman777,
Thanks for the feedback on my uploaded freeware routes to the Trainz DLS.
These routes were modified and created on a low end computer, so power consumption and heat levels are less and frame rates would certainly be higher on modern computers.
One has not yet loaded these assets into the TRS 2019 product but intend to later running them in Compatibility Mode set in the TRS 2019 settings.
One recently installed the TRS 2019 Cornish Mainline and the TRS 2019 East Coast Dundee routes into ones new PC computer, and the results are awesome.
Settings are set to high on a GPU RTX 3050 with 6GDDR ram (8 gigabytes) getting an amazing unbelievable average frame rate of 60 frames per second playing these routes.
PS The GPU card is not overclocked, and the card 8 gigabyte memory runs at 7000 Mhz when playing TRS 2019 in driver mode.
When running the TRS 2019 on ones new computer the GPU average temperature is about 45 degrees Celsius.
Happy Trainzspotting.
davies_mike57
 
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