4GHz Overclock. Any good?

conrail6373

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Yo!

So, last night, I decided to screw around with overclocking some more. With the use of software and the system BIOS, I overclocked my processor from 2.5 to 4.02GHz on a Gigabyte EP45-UD3P mobo. Now I realize that this is not an overclocking forum, but there is a point to this... After overclocking that much and my system still being stable, Trainz runs like crap! What is wrong. I have an excellent video card also.
 
Holy moly! That's an insane overclock; I usually go only 8-10% over, but...wow!

I just built a new system based on an AMD Phenom II triple core and TRS2004 runs the best I've ever seen, averaging 50fps even on the most demanding route I have. I have yet to install 2006 & 2009, but have high hopes. Running Vista 7 Ultimate with 4 gb RAM and GeForce 9600 vid card with 1 gig of vram. The weak link in my system is my monitor - an old 17" CRT @1024X768. I'm letting my wife use our 19" widescreen until we can afford a new one for me.

I digress... Sometimes getting the most out of Trainz requires a great deal of patience, trying different combinations of graphic card settings & Trainz settings.

It would be very beneficial for us to know your system specs, as well as which version of Trainz you have. Also - how do your other games look? Good luck!

Darrel
 
I really hope you have a very good cooling system because that kind of overclock is far too high. As Stagefright said, 10% is usually the limit. I won't be surprised if Windows starts crashing.

Cheerio,
John
 
Yo!

So, last night, I decided to screw around with overclocking some more. With the use of software and the system BIOS, I overclocked my processor from 2.5 to 4.02GHz on a Gigabyte EP45-UD3P mobo. Now I realize that this is not an overclocking forum, but there is a point to this... After overclocking that much and my system still being stable, Trainz runs like crap! What is wrong. I have an excellent video card also.

Oh dear I think you mite have over clocked that slightly, if what you tell me is true, that means you have clocked it to just over 60% if my maths is correct?
At that rate your CPU will soon burn out.
I hope you’ll know what you’re doing?
If not, it will all end up in tears..........This could be very expensive for you!!!!!
 
I would also check the hard drives since the disk drives are the slowest component in the computer system today. The new flash drives are quite fast, and are slowly replacing mechanical hard drives, but their cost per unit is still too high as well as their overall size being still too small by today's storage standards.

Remember Trainz is extremely hard disk intensive with the loading of the objects into the program as it moves along through Driver. Surveyor isn't as disk intensive because the movement is less, but with continuous loading of small items in Driver, the system has to continuously request loading from the hard disk instead of from memory cache.

The problem with these small objects is they don't completely fill the request buffers on the hard disks. So instead of the system being able to read the filled cache and a complete sector on the hard drive, the drive has to fetch the data continuously.

Think of a cache as a bucket. You load the bucket with stones, but you don't want to load a single small pebble into the bucket so you wait until you can fill up the completely before your dump it. The hard drive cache works the same way. The drive hardware, along with the operating system and other hardware, is told to wait until the buffer is full before reading. This can take time (milliseconds instead of nanoseconds) to happen, and force the system to move slower.

Since many of the objects are very small, the drive is forced to flush the cache more often. This is done through requests from the programs and operating system to load the data no matter what. This is like being told by your supervisor, of the rock buckets, to empty the bucket anyway even if you only have a very small pebble in there anyway.

As the program runs in Driver, you'll notice this program plays along (like a video playing... not as a game). You'll see your drive light continuously blinking as the objects load in.

Hard drive performance can be improved by ensuring the the drive is highly defragmented. This keeps the seek time lower because everything is closer together and requires less movement of the heads in the hard drive. In addition if any objects require more than one sector, there's a better chance that the sectors will be closer together and load faster since there's again less movement of the hard drive heads.

Another thing that can help is to adjust the cache that Trainz uses. This loads more objects into the volatile memory (RAM) in the beginning so there's less disk access required during the play back during Driver.

I hope I explained this well.

John
 
So, the explanation given is very accurate and very well made. In the near future I plan to go SSD (flash drive). Any recommendations? I don't need a great capacity as I have over 1.5 Tb storage. Now I use raptors in Raid 0. Will SSD improve load of the routes?, and then will it improve stuttering in places of heavy content. By now I can differentiate from low frame rate due to video card or due to HHD loading. Having 4 Gb of fast RAM minimizes slow HHD loading.
 
humm, maybe it's your coal?

i'm at 3.7 on an intel 9550, with air cooling and an ATI 4890, getting 50-70 FPS on the Harlem Line, first iteration, with maxxed sliders and running at ground level. the video card is the most important for me, and i've over-clocked it to 970 core/1150 memory.

my CPU cores on the quad are around 50C in Trainz, and i'm maxxing the GPU fan to 100 percent and running at about 35C. ( my 4850 ran about 60C. overclocked! )

you may have, at that CPU overclocking a conflict with your Mobo's memory controller, where it no longer efficiently overclocks the RAM? but, a stable OC'd 4Gh is great when it loads, and they sometimes crash and you lose harddisk data.

but, best would be to check the over-clockers sites -- googling "overclocking" whatever your CPU is...

what is your CPU?

Yo!

So, last night, I decided to screw around with overclocking some more. With the use of software and the system BIOS, I overclocked my processor from 2.5 to 4.02GHz on a Gigabyte EP45-UD3P mobo. Now I realize that this is not an overclocking forum, but there is a point to this... After overclocking that much and my system still being stable, Trainz runs like crap! What is wrong. I have an excellent video card also.
 
So, the explanation given is very accurate and very well made. In the near future I plan to go SSD (flash drive). Any recommendations? I don't need a great capacity as I have over 1.5 Tb storage. Now I use raptors in Raid 0. Will SSD improve load of the routes?, and then will it improve stuttering in places of heavy content. By now I can differentiate from low frame rate due to video card or due to HHD loading. Having 4 Gb of fast RAM minimizes slow HHD loading.

I don't have any recommendations yet for SSDs because the brands are still settling down. When they've finally come to a point like the DVD drives and other items with particular manufacturers, then I can recommend the dirves.

Even though you over 1 TB of storage, and I have 2TB spread over 2 drives with No RAID, Trainz likes to dump everything on a single drive. Right now the capacity of the SSD drives available for commercial use are still quite small, and with the way that Trainz likes to fill them up, you might run out of space quickly. These drives will look just like an SATA drive to your system. In fact from what I've read, they use the SATA controller as the interface.

I saw an online demo of some SATA drives in action. The system was unbelievably fast. Thy set them up in a huge RAID. It was done as an experiment and was sponsord by Samsung.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-ssd-hdd-raid,7224.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs

When they are priced reasonably, which I think will happen soon and the brands have settled down, I too will be one of the first to upgrade to them.

John
 
i'm using a seagate SATA 500GB for my main drive, with both games and OS on the disk, but in separate partitions. i had, for a month, a western digital raptor -- 10,000 RPM, but i took it back because of its reputation for breaking, and i find that there is not that much difference -- maybe 2 seconds -- in loading with the slower 7200RPM seagate.

for Trainz, the video card seems to be the bottleneck, after you've got a decent enough CPU -- and, i've had several video cards and the current ATI 4890 runs trainz best, with high frame rates and no staggering at all.

for strategy games, like Medieval Total War 2, the faster the CPU the better, since there are non-graphic based computations to compute. but, for sims -- train or flight -- our graphics cards do the more important to them visual object calculations, as the cards themselves are 'computers' designed for that one activity -- the way the add on 'math processor' used to be necessary in the old 286 days to do calculations and graph making.

one thing though -- i'm using GL setting and when i switch to DX i'm getting a lot of stuttering -- i'm Win XP pro, with DX9c -- and, i believe vista guys have DX10? and i don't know if that's a better iteration of DX, though i suppose that trainz doesn't support DX10 itself? But, the GL settings are great and the trainz run on time -- no staggering and laying about at the stations.

in any case, the solid state drives are still experimental and perhaps are losing data and ability over time? and, if you need, you can test something out -- which is to use a 'ram disk' in RAM memory and load Trainz in the RAM disk and see if reading speeds up your trainz experience -- you'd still have to save to hard disk to keep your save, but saving doesn't happen that often for me in Trainz. personally, i've found the RAM disk to be more not worth the trouble with no speed or loading miracles. i still think it's your motherboard and your overclock being out of sync, and that no new and faster harddrive is necessary... or, so it's suggested in the overclocking newsgroups.

mike

I don't have any recommendations yet for SSDs because the brands are still settling down. When they've finally come to a point like the DVD drives and other items with particular manufacturers, then I can recommend the dirves.

Even though you over 1 TB of storage, and I have 2TB spread over 2 drives with No RAID, Trainz likes to dump everything on a single drive. Right now the capacity of the SSD drives available for commercial use are still quite small, and with the way that Trainz likes to fill them up, you might run out of space quickly. These drives will look just like an SATA drive to your system. In fact from what I've read, they use the SATA controller as the interface.

I saw an online demo of some SATA drives in action. The system was unbelievably fast. Thy set them up in a huge RAID. It was done as an experiment and was sponsord by Samsung.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-ssd-hdd-raid,7224.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs

When they are priced reasonably, which I think will happen soon and the brands have settled down, I too will be one of the first to upgrade to them.

John
 
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