2010 SP2

[steve123]

Its not about some people just like to complain publicly for the sake of complaining ,its about having people hearing and seeing what is being spoken about in relation to trainz 2010 service packs and how it is stuffing the game and some computers around ,yes i really wish to sit hear writting about this rather than do something i would like to do,as i said before my hardware is fine it runs any other game spot on crysis full specs ,mass effect ,x3,without a glitch but as sooon as trainz sp2 is installed it turns to crap ,CAN YOU HEAR OR SEE WHAT I AM SAYING HERE, there are a lot of people who are all having trouble with 2010 sp1or 2 but again nobody seems to hear it at Auran if you do please let us know it otherwise this complianing publicly will continue.
XFX X58I MOBO
12 GIG CORSAIR RAM
2 X 5970 SAPPHIRE OC DRIVERS 10.4 CROSSFIRE
1200 WATT SILERSTONE POWER
COOLER MASTER FULL TOWER CASE
6 sata hard drives
So i say instead of saying that people like to complain publicly why not fix the problem with the games service packs instead.
signed steve the public whiner

 

[RRSignal]

First, it's entirely possible that you have a glitch somewhere or maybe just the wrong combo of hardware, drivers and/or software that throws Trainz off. Second, I see you have ATI and it's setup for Crossfire. IIRC there were some driver issues with ATI and a lot of folks here seem to think Crossfire and SLi won't help with Trainz, but there's some evidence this setup may make things worse too. (Ok, I read that on Wikipedia, I don't know first-hand.)

That said, SP2 was really problematic for me. I just tonight uninstalled Trainz and am preparing to reinstalling sans any Service Pack, although, I also needed to move Trainz to a new drive anyway due to space contraints.

 

[Mike10]

I was having problems with SP2 installs, turned out I have a dodgy memory stick. Have you tested yours? I don't mean "it works Ok for everything else", I mean have you tested the memory with a memory test program?

Mike.

 

[narrowgauge]

Steve

I think the difficulty from Auran's point of view is 'what do they fix'. See, you have problems, I didn't, SP1 and SP2 loaded without a hitch and TS2010 gives me no trouble.

I think that the problems that you experience is machine related, not due to software problems, if it was software at fault we would all have problems and then Auran would have evidence to allow them to fix the faulty code.

Comparing your specs to mine, you have more of everything. The only thing is your linked video cards, I'm not sure that TS2010 supports Crossfire and it is most likely that SP2 was not designed with that in mind. Perhaps that could be the source of your grief.

Perhaps Chris will comment.

Peter

 

[JCitron]

I was having problems with SP2 installs, turned out I have a dodgy memory stick. Have you tested yours? I don't mean "it works Ok for everything else", I mean have you tested the memory with a memory test program?

Mike.

Hi Mike,

I had this issue with TRS2004 ages ago. The program would crash to the desktop about a half-hour into a driving session, and only while in driver. I would be in Surveyor for hours and it wouldn't crash and I never even got the fatal error when exiting! It was when I happened to be doing another totally system-intensive operation not related to Trainz, that it showed its ugly face with an actual message.

By the time this happened, I had replaced a power supply, fans, and other system components because any one of them could have caused the crashing. In Trainz I went as far as to remove particular assets figuring they were too high-poly for my system to handle at the time.

@Steve, sorry for being a bit abrupt there... I know it's frustrating for you, and only if you were closer by, I'd come over and take a look at your system. Perhaps we're not communicating clearly through the written word, which at times can be as clear as mud.

Now having read that you have an ATI with X-fire. Have you tried disabling the X-fire mode just to see if the system works. I've read the some people have had better luck with the NVidia SLI if they run the cards in DirectX mode instead of Open/GL. Can you try that too for kicks and see if that solves your problem.

Good luck there and I have a feeling you've solve the problem.

John


John

 

[steve123]

did i not say nothing wrong with hardware been tested ,i have tried other drivers as well as 10.4 ,however i was using 2 gigabyte 9800 gtx in sli mode and it does makes a difference to the running and the preformance of the game ,i know this for a fact because i have done it,ram has been tested time after time to make sure it ok,pleases listen once again ?????? as soon as sp2 is installed it plays up ,,,,,,there is the problem,,,,lets blame this lets blame that, god give me strength:hehe:
i ran 9800 cards in open/gl i have tried turning of crossfire didnt help ,at the moment i am running without sp2 and in directx mode with crossfire enabled and it running fine if i put it to open/ GL using ati cards it stuffs the water textures up, when also i am running trainz 2010 i turn all anti virus off as well the internet

 

[JCitron]

Steve,

"I ran 9800 cards in open/gl i have tried turning of crossfire didnt help ,at the moment I am running without sp2 and in directx mode with crossfire enabled and it running fine if i put it to open/ GL using ati cards it stuffs the water textures up, when also i am running trainz 2010 i turn all anti virus off as well the internet."

So run the program with SP2 without the Crossfire enabled. Auran has said there are problems with this combination, and actually Trainz not liking Crossfire and SLI setup for that matter. There are many other programs that have issues with this too not just Trainz. I can't think of them offhand, but if you search the web regarding Crossfire and SLI issues with programs, you'll see there are a plenty of them.

ATI has always had issues with Open/GL. This problem has gone back decades, long before the current crop of video cards from AMD. When I used to use 3DS Max, WorldBuilder, etc., the programs would randomly lock up with Open/GL errors. A change in video cards remedied my problems. Now I don't expect you to change video cards to play a Train simulation unless you feel it's necessary.

I do agree there are some different graphics issues with SP2 compared to SP1 and before. I think many of these have been reported to Auran. I also think that by sending in bug reports to Zec, he can pass them along to the development/support team to look at. This is the only way to get things like this fixed. The developers visit the forums, but not on a regular basis. By sending in the bugs to the helpdesk, they get logged into the bug-tracking database so the developers can see them.

When you say plays up, what are getting? Any messages? Screen going blank? All you say is it plays up. Disappearing water has always been an ATI problem with Trainz, and I mean going back to the earliest versions.

With my single video card, I get missing Speed Treez and occasional missing objects. This is memory related, and is the way the program works. Instead of crashing totally, the program will limit the amount of object it displays. This issue is remedied by exiting and coming back into the program. Since I have an NVidia card, I don't have the water issue you have.

Again, have you contacted Auran about this? Zec is very helpful and will get back to you with your issues. He has always been helpful when I've contacted him.

Good luck. I think we've made some progress here.

John

 

[steve123]

Ok then ,
id like to thank everyone for there help ,
is there going to be a sp3 for 2010

 

[Buffalo_trains93]

Steve

I think the difficulty from Auran's point of view is 'what do they fix'. See, you have problems, I didn't, SP1 and SP2 loaded without a hitch and TS2010 gives me no trouble.

I think that the problems that you experience is machine related, not due to software problems, if it was software at fault we would all have problems and then Auran would have evidence to allow them to fix the faulty code.

Comparing your specs to mine, you have more of everything. The only thing is your linked video cards, I'm not sure that TS2010 supports Crossfire and it is most likely that SP2 was not designed with that in mind. Perhaps that could be the source of your grief.

Perhaps Chris will comment.

Peter

Beg to differ Peter, but SP2 for TRS2009 completely flipped my TRS2009 upside down.:hehe: So in that case, it is product related.

But yes, Steve, the Crossfire thing. I do re-call a big commotion some years ago about Trainz and Crossfire and the equation was Trainz+Crossfire=No. I also would try your memory stick as that may be bugging it. I had the same as John (JCintron) I hope you fix whatever is pleaging!

Take care,

Ryan

 

[narrowgauge]

Buffalo_trains93

Let's be more accurate. On your machine it 'flipped it upside down', on my machine it behaved normally. I don't have a magic machine that corrects faulty software therefore I can conclude that on my machine the software is not faulty. It is possible that you had a corrupted download which is causing your problem, and it is not caused by faults inherent in the software.

It is simple logic, if it was the software at fault, everyone would have the same problem, most people have no problems therefore it is not the software.

Peter

 

[mrmom]

Is there a problem with the new patch,,sp2 what happens to me is the screen will go black then trs will sometimes flash or change to a window view in the top left hand corner of my screen..the rest of the screen stays black...then it might revert back to normal..at first I thought it was the vido setting ..but it's not that, nor is it eather DX or open GL..happend in both settings...Now you will say Oh its your Vido card Nope it,s not that..Heres my system specs...

Windows Vista home Premium
Intel (R) Core (TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550@2.83GHz
8.00 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280
I never seen trainz run so smooth before in all my hours spent with the games, I Mean all, but 09..skiped it..So Is there somthing wrong with the patch..

 

[JCitron]

Is there a problem with the new patch,,sp2 what happens to me is the screen will go black then trs will sometimes flash or change to a window view in the top left hand corner of my screen..the rest of the screen stays black...then it might revert back to normal..at first I thought it was the vido setting ..but it's not that, nor is it eather DX or open GL..happend in both settings...Now you will say Oh its your Vido card Nope it,s not that..Heres my system specs...

Windows Vista home Premium
Intel (R) Core (TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550@2.83GHz
8.00 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280
I never seen trainz run so smooth before in all my hours spent with the games, I Mean all, but 09..skiped it..So Is there somthing wrong with the patch..

There is a problem, but it seems to be related to Windows 7 too.

The work around is simple.

Open up your Trainzoptions.txt file and enter in the following information:

-width=xxxx
-height=yyyy


Where xxxx and yyyy are your screen resolution.

Example:

My screen resolution is setup to 1680-1250.
In my Trainzoptions.txt file, my settings are:

-width=1680
-height=1250

Also make sure the settings are the same in the Options panel when you start Trainz.

Hope this helps.

John