Are We Nerds?

Hi Everybody.


Nikia and others posting on this thread say that you are not offended by being called a nerd. However, I have never really been sure of exactly what a nerd is.

I suspect those of us not offended are generally on the lower side of the 40 year old divider. Nerd and Geek used to be insults, and in fact, still were when I was in (the equivalent of) high school. But the world has shifted, and *everyone* has to be a little nerdy/geeky to get through life today. We all have to know *something* about computers, and jobs have become hyper-specialised to the point where you are expected to be an expert on your job's scope, regardless of your position of seniority. Even bob, the 'jock' in sales, has to be a bit nerdy about your company's products if he's to do his job, and he has to be able to operate Excel like everyone else - even if he does do stupid stuff like deleting sheets instead of inserting a row every now and then :)

So to those of us under about 40 years old, being a nerd or a geek isn't quite a bad thing.

[Snip stuff about me...]

So exactly what is a nerd. Is he/she:-
1) someone who has expertise or obsession with one particular subject.
2) someone who is an expert or has an obsession in several subjects.
3) someone who is very well-educated and which allows him/her to speak on a range of matters with authority.

All contributors to this have fifteen minutes from putting hands to keyboard to placing their reply on the thread. answers must be more than 2000 words to prove you are anywhere near nerd status.

Please discuss

Bill:hehe:

Your points 1 and 2 are essentially the same thing, although perhaps with a level of formality implied by point 2.

I actually think 'being a nerd' falls into somewhere in points 1 or 2, although point 3 can imply it too, I think the key factor about a 'nerd' is that it is someone that has an interest or obsession about a subject, and that they are willing to spend their own time pursuing that interest.

In many ways, this makes being a nerd something to be proud of.


You can have someone that has a formal education in computer science, but still doesn't actually care about the subject other than as a method of getting a job. They would not be a 'computer nerd' (or geek).

However, coming back to what I said at the opening of this post, such a person wouldn't do well in a computer science related job, and may not even do well in any desk job - and lets be honest, almost all jobs have some element of being a desk job these days, even farmers have lots of technology and data to manage.

Hence why I think that we're all becoming nerds/geeks, and it just isn't an insult anymore.

The older among us, however, may not quite have been exposed to this change in society yet (although how they'd manage that other than being self-employed is anyone's guess, but even owning your own business is likely to incur all manner of nerdy stuff), or they may be clinging to the segregation of 'jocks and nerds' that there was in their youth.

Even being a 'train nerd' is something that can have positive effects these days. The internet has made it so that anyone can write a book for example. Are you a 'foamer' who knows everything about freight movements through Waco, TX in the 90s? There's probably someone that will buy a book about that information.
 
Hi Nikki and Everybody.
Nikki your reply really shows the generation gap and how the use and meaning about words can change over the years. When I left school in 1960 at the "tender" age of 15 years old, the word "nerd" did not even exist. The word "gay" was referred to when a person was jolly or lighthearted there was even a dance called the "Gay Gordon's" which I remember doing at a Brook Bond tea factory Christmas function in Bristol.

The word gay these days has completely changed and is solely referred to in references to sexual orientation. The word nerd (or at least the first time that I heard it) I believe was in the late 70s. I was employed in the road transport industry and would have been referred to as a "manual worker". Being working class and proud of it in those days, nerds to us meant that someone was an educated odd ball which went along with references such as "boffin".

Nerds and boffins were people who were different, a bit nutty and you would certainly not wish to be labelled as one. The 1960s were times when people wished to be very much part of the crowd. We were all into Beatles music along with the Rolling Stones and others. These were the days of the Trade Unions in Britain where people acted together especially manual workers which gave people like me great success in achieving better working and living standards.

I believe for the above reasons you did not wish to be "different" or referred to as a nerd. Everyone wanted to be part of the crowd until that changed in the 1980s and under Mrs.Thatcher the era of individualism began.

I suppose I changed in the late 80s, moving away from manual working into a health and safety role in the haulage industry which changed my way of looking at things. A nerd to me became someone who was educated and had the capacity to push their ambitions to the full, which was something which I had started to aspire to.

The word nerd had changed to me along with many others, but that's of course is just part of a rich life.

Great Discussion

Bill
 
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i would not say i am a nerd, i live a normal life go to work during the week and come home shower relax play trainz 3-5 nights outta the week if im home early. on the weekend i go to bars, Casino to play poker etc. every one has hobbies some are different then others, we have O Scale trains on the wall for display in my bar room with Rail road photo's every one thinks its cool and enjoys checking out our layout down the basement. Around Philadelphia and PA is big rail fan area its very normal to have interest in trains around here.. -Kon..
 
"I'd rather be hated for what I am than loved for something I'm really not." - Unknown

"I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam." - Popeye the Sailor

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I am going to go out on a limb and be like Sarah Palin (even though I loathe her):

I am a neek, and I am proud of it! :D
Definition of "neek": Geek and nerd in one human form that can interact respectfully and almost flawlessly with society, while still having the perks of the many forms of a geek and the nerd alike.

Souce: My tiny little neeky head. :p

Adam
 
Hi all:wave:

I’m not sure that because we have Trainz as a hobby would classify us as nerds. In fact I would consider anyone (me included) that sticks with Trainz to be an optimist to their core; I don’t know how many happy and at times frustrating hours I have spent just trying to get the thing to function correctly. There are so many compatibility problems with Trainz and different versions of windows and computer set ups; that getting Trainz to work is a science that requires a varied knowledge base.
And if owning Trainz makes you a nerd then there are an awful lot of us nerds in nearly every country on the face of this Earth.
 
It's a great hobby, but I'm the lone railfan in the family. And work (which is crazy considering where I work), and when I was in school.
It can be annoying when you see that cool new loco just off from the road, and no one knows/wants to know anything about it, so you have to bite your tongue.
But, I do have a special lady in my life, and many friends.
Not bad for a nerdy railfan/baseball fan/golf enthusiast. Just don't hang around me for too long, or I might put you in a coma.
I agree to your words!!!!! Only one in falimly/school.




My defination of a nerd/nurd is someone who lives/breathes the subject of thier nerdyiness. Ex. In the my junior class in highschool, their is a guy that always wears Halo, WOW, Kingdom Hearts ect. and always has a DS in hand. He looks like the defination of nerd/nurd...glasses, not good with women, not taking a bath for a week or so reguarly(you did not read that last part).... I haven't really talked with the guy beacuse he is a bit annoying. Yet, I shouldn't be calling people nerds beacause I am here stating my veiws with you all.

Trainz is a way for me to express my self. It is a higlight of my day when I come home and create a small pass that looks great with tall canyon side and moutains with a little streach of ng trackage running slightly above the small river. To some it looks like a streach of track on the Durango line, yet to me it is a bit like art.
Also to express the art and the fun ablity to create, I am one of the few who still play with their LEGOs... Lets just say a K-27 in LEGO....


P.S. Love the Rio Grande NG :)
 
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What?!? I'm no nerd!!!
I lead a well balanced life! I don't just play Trainz, I am also a regular model railroader. Whatever time I have left is filled with doing all my homework and playing on the PS3.
See! Well balanced!:D

(And you wonder why I've never had a girlfriend. :hehe: )
 
Well, I've had quite a few, married and divorced twice, 4 kids and about 18-20 grandkids (little beasts won't hold still long enough to get an accurate count). My experience is that women don't care if you're a stamp collector or a serial killer as long as you have enough money to buy them plenty of bling-bling. :hehe:
 
Just because you like something doesn't mean your a nerd

Compare a UP SD70mac to a Mustang
Think about it
Take a UP SD70mac
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It has 16 Cylinders, twice as big as a V8 (I think)
What's the difference of this and a V8 2005 Mustang??
A mustang looks powerful,
But so does this!
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Which looks more powerful??
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They're powerful, they have a lot o' grunt, and TBH I'd rather be hit by a mustang than a Up SD70mac


So why is it 'cooler' to like cars than trains??

Jamie
 
No. 16 cylinders aren't just twice as big as a V8, they're like twice as big as the whole car!

Besides. I'd much prefer this:
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Over 1000 horsepower, and 200+... on snow.

So if I like cars and trains, am I at least half cool?:hehe:
 
So why is it 'cooler' to like cars than trains??

Jamie

Because people are ignorant, I myself enjoy both to a great extent.... the car being the more tangable of the two hobbys.... and why post a 2000+ model.... sixties suits me just fin over here:
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Im Lovin my car just as much as the UP mainline 200 feet from my house...... Just which of the two can I legally touch? :p

cheers
 
Nice Mustang. I'm a nerd. I'm also a beer drinker and a hell raiser (cheers to Rev Willy G.), and I don't particularly give a crap what anyone thinks. Trains are neat because they are mighty.
 
Most women are not interested in men's hobbies, and those that are, is mostly because their man is. Interest in trains is not nerdy, it is just a minority mens hobby.

From what I've noticed, even "cool" guys have a hidden interest in trains, model ones as well as real. Why not do what interests you. If your girl walks away, let her go. Better to be with someone who takes you as you are.:cool: A Balanced lifestyle is very important though!

When you're a child you play with trains. Then you grow up, you chase hot girls and hot cars. after it's all over, you retire and start playing with your trains again!.
 
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Being from a gritty down to earth city like Glasgow it would be a brave heart who called me a nerd over Trainz. It has been a great find for me in addtion a relaxation and when I am on one of my periodic health situs something to look forward to when stuck in for a day or so. Not being a techy type it has been a tremendous addition to my life because of it's ease in building something reasonable.
 
Oh, another reason

I thought it made you 'cool' if you did something slightly illegal, eg, walk into a TRAIN yard, jump a FENCE protecting TRAINS

Nick,
You touch the UP SD70, you're super cool with the 'cool' kids, who mostly are, just plain idiots, half are wannabees, and the other are so arrogant and selfish

Jamie
 
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