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    Hi John,

    Ning laughed when I tell her about your post.
    I still have my Dutch roots that is clear what we called even in the Golden years keep the 'finger on the knips' (old dutch saying of keeping your wallet closed) is still true but when I decide in this case my better part tthan the wallet opens pretty wide.
    He did you know even in seventh heaven there are clouds not rain yet or diamond rain like on Pluto but real clouds lol.
    This week my mobo Asus z170 pro gaming the very good old faithful showing signs of fatigue and spontaneous reboot,stall,freeze a few times but most times early in the morning. Coffee not help just makes me happier.
    It looks like workload with the new rig for my old mobo is sometimes just to much to long so maybe start looking for a new one maybe Z690 with wifi and an I9 10900 K or X not sure jet but this makes my wallet than looks like a swiss cheese, Emmentaler or Gruyere both taste excellent so lets see what I come up with.

    regards from Ning too and big hug and fun with your new toy!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JCitron View Post
    Thank you!

    Ning inspired me to make the next move. Just kidding! My USB ports died suddenly and that was my push to upgrade. I had been waffling around up until then, but when my keyboard and mouse suddenly stopped then my backup drive disappeared, I knew something was wrong. Now when I start up the old machine, I get error messages about USB problems even with nothing plugged in except for another mouse and keyboard. Something failed on the motherboard, which is now going on 6 years old.

    There's not much to grab either over here either with the chip shortages and the high prices. When I checked my email and saw the PC Magazine Tech Deals advertisement and saw the Dell, I shot over there fast to look. PC Mag was advertising an i5 with similar specs and I customized it for the i9, more memory and the better video card. I have good credit, and got the lowest interest rate from Dell, which is still too high, but I can make big payments and pay this off quickly. They're offering no payments or interest for a year, but I'll pay it off a lot sooner, so I don't get hit with any interest at all.

    Your machine is a real jewel in today's economy. Give her warm hugs and sweet talks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCitron View Post
    That has been a big issue due to the scrounging for components. One of the worst offenders so far has been Gigabyte with power supplies blowing up. Not kidding!

    The other issue is the cost of components. I found the Dell machine to be less expensive even with the high-end components than it was to build a lesser machine with components sourced at New Egg. www.newegg.com, or some other online vendor. In the end, the Dell proved to be a good value and hopefully a good return on my investment since I invest in new machines every 5-7 years.
    "..... return on my investment.....". Alas, if only it could be the case with them PCs!

    As with many very new technologies, computing components soon become obsolete because of the still accelerating pace of technological change. Today you buy a PC steam engine but next year the PC diesels have superseded the steamers; and the DMUs are soon superseded by the EMUs. There are magnetic hover trains on the horizon and perhaps even the PC equivalent of Seth Brundle's pod (without the fly)! The other thing about PC components is that they eventually go PHUT! and are rarely mendable. Some can be recycled for the materials but much goes into landfill (an anti-investment).

    One might argue that there are other sorts of investments (or returns from one's cash spend) that are not in monetary form. A good PC is a pleasure to use and can enable some magical stuff. Complex photo noise reduction & sharpening, not to mention running a densely-packed Dearnby & District Trainz route, goes very nicely with the latest PC (or even Apple) components. For a year or so ...... until they "upgrade" the software so that now it needs current-oomph X 2.

    One of my other obsessions is woodworking. Here one may truly invest in high quality tools. They not only enable good woodworking but can be sold a decade down the line for more than one paid for them. That really is an investment. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lataxe View Post
    "..... return on my investment.....". Alas, if only it could be the case with them PCs!

    As with many very new technologies, computing components soon become obsolete because of the still accelerating pace of technological change. Today you buy a PC steam engine but next year the PC diesels have superseded the steamers; and the DMUs are soon superseded by the EMUs. There are magnetic hover trains on the horizon and perhaps even the PC equivalent of Seth Brundle's pod (without the fly)! The other thing about PC components is that they eventually go PHUT! and are rarely mendable. Some can be recycled for the materials but much goes into landfill (an anti-investment).

    One might argue that there are other sorts of investments (or returns from one's cash spend) that are not in monetary form. A good PC is a pleasure to use and can enable some magical stuff. Complex photo noise reduction & sharpening, not to mention running a densely-packed Dearnby & District Trainz route, goes very nicely with the latest PC (or even Apple) components. For a year or so ...... until they "upgrade" the software so that now it needs current-oomph X 2.

    One of my other obsessions is woodworking. Here one may truly invest in high quality tools. They not only enable good woodworking but can be sold a decade down the line for more than one paid for them. That really is an investment. :-)

    Lataxe
    Absolutely agree your well distilled comments here,

    I try to hold my Computers, Smart Phones, personal Auto for as long as I can, buying something new each year, at sometimes horribly inflated prices does not appeal to me in the slightest. Just like anyone else, there is only so much money to go around. So the old saying BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, is more than truthful.

    And I am a very strong advocate, that the Right Tool for the Right Job is essential, both in Time to complete said job, and the Rewards of Ease, and professional results. I have old Tools from 40 or more years ago handed down to me from Family members who reside in higher ground now.....They work, and they work well.

    Funny I was just thinking about a Truck I owned once, long ago, and in a period, one of problems I had, was replacing the Air Conditioning Compressor, about the 3 time in in 4 yr's I asked the mechanic what was I doing wrong to have too keep getting the unit replaced, especially since I had it Freon serviced each year before the hot summer.

    When the Guy busted out laughing, and said do really want to know! I was lambasted, and said, ya, I really want to know........Something is wrong here.....Is there a heavier model that will last longer and more reliable....

    Answer was, no, there is not another model better than this one, they make to them to fail, so you can buy more!

    I replied, so your telling me, that if I keep this Auto air conditioning serviced at least once a year, etc, this thing will probably fail in little over a year or so? Yup, that is what I am telling you......

    This last time while in Dealers repair, it was 2600$, to replace my complete air conditioning Unit, hoses etc, do too Metal, Aluminum Fibers shooting thru the Cycling system......Thank goodness, I had an extended warranty I had purchased,,,,,,Cost me 250$ out of pocket......

    Safe to say, I got rid of that brand of Truck and got a different one, never had the problem again, question posed, was it a Lemon, later on, now older and wiser, it was for the year of that vehicle, I should have fought and I probably would have one.......Now you know the rest of the Story.........

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    Raises hand here...

    When I invest in something, I always look for the best ROI I can get on the product, and this includes electronics. A computer part or computer system is never a good investment due to their fast obsolescence. No matter how much we plan to get out of a computer, it never really pays back what we put into the initial investment unlike a well-made musical instrument, or a good tool as you noted Lataxe for example. With today's prices, we'll never even come close to any kind of ROI no matter how hard we try. When I do invest in computers, however, I will always buy at the highest level I can afford rather than being a cheapskate and end up sacrificing something now only to have to replace it later. The other reason is the faster machines in the first place will have a longer shelf life than a slower one which will become obsolete faster due to software requirements becoming even faster than the machine that is supposed to run it.

    With that in mind, my soon to be replaced PC is going on 6 or 7 years old. The power supply is actually 11 years old and the video card 5. The parts, while working except for the motherboard, are beginning to show their age. Given the cost these days for computers and parts, I plan on getting at least as many years out of the new PC as I did this one that it's replacing.

    The difference this time compared to the past is I'm buying a prebuild. The cost of the individual components in a similar build is far higher than I can get the Dell for. The other reason is I'm tired of building my own machines. The last build with the MSI motherboard was nothing but trouble right from the beginning. instead of being a single warranty, I had to deal with flaky memory from the supplier, a faulty motherboard from MSI. The motherboard actually was replaced in 2016 after failing completely. I had an instant no additional questions asked replacement for that! I don't want to deal with that all over again, and this time around it would mean replacing the power supply and the ever-so-expensive video card which in the Dell costs as much as the whole PC does if I were to buy it separately.

    Is this a good ROI? Nope it never will be, but I'll make sure I suck as much juice out of this orange before I throw away the pulp!
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    I used to enjoy building my own stuff. To day it feels more like work than fun.

    Last hear I bought the top of the line Alienware desktop (a Dell Product). Lots of money, but I have never looked back. About a month ago the Alienware diagnostics ran and it detected a problem with the hard drive. Within 15 minutes I got an email from Dell indicating the defect had been noted and that a new hard drive would arrive at my house the next day, no charge because it was still under warranty. Sure enough the next afternoon the new hard drive arrived.

    Thats service at its best. I extended my warranty for two more years because the computer has the NVIDIA 3090 processor which costs an arm and leg to buy or replace, if you can find one.

    Several years ago I toured the Dell desktop factory in Texas and was impressed. That trip cured me of the urge to “build my own computer”.

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    I would be interested to know the budget needed for such PC....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGG View Post
    I would be interested to know the badget needed for such PC....
    Hello Jag,

    I looked down on the chest area of my woolly ganzi and the badget pinned there says, "More money than sense". This is because I too spent as much as I could hide from the ladywife on a geet big PC, with Threadripper CPU, RTX3090 GPU and similar stuff. It has to last until I die, which is a dangerous equation to agree too as the ladywife may put me in the compost heap if that RTX3090 goes PHUT! after the warranty runs out in 5 years time.

    As others have noted, buying a pre-built PC is currently the best bang for one's bucks, as buying components will soon have you completely bald from the several scalpings. Even so, if one heads up market to near the airy peaks, many thousands must be transferred from your pocket to that of the computer vendor. However, it's still worth a couple of hundred extra for the 3 or even 5 year warranty rather than accepting just the 1 or 2 year variety. Also, you are buying the chest-puff of feeling better-orf than the hoi-polloi, them with their mere i9s and RTX 3080s. :-)

    Anyroadup, I've told my new PC that it has to keep going until 2050; or until we're all dead of weather, whichever comes first. The only worry now is - can I aford the electricity to run the bluddy thing? Those energy provider rascals are putting up the price of a KWh every day!

    Lataxe, doing skiing (Spending the Kid's Inheritance).

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    Well I will join in here and provide some pricing that I have just paid to upgrade my 7 year old system, all prices are likely to go down if we get the supply line running right again.
    I am upgrading to a Gen12 i9 12900K, it is running about ($613) right now. We (my son and I are both upgrading mine because of age and his because of CPU meltdown when liquid cooling system failed). He has gotten an Asus Z590 MB and just ordered a Gen 11, i9 11900K, he is taking the DDR4 from my old machine 32 Gig, and looking at a 3070 card if he can find one. I am changing out an MSI Carbon Pro Z390, with a i9 9900, guess it is not as old as I thought with an Asus Z690 Strix E Motherboard ($469), DDR5 5600 G.Skill Ram ($449), Replacing the 1080 Founders Card with a Asus 3080 10Gig card ($1409 for the 3080 card and the 590 Motherboard ($359), AIO Asus 360 Liquid Cooling CPU unit ($230), the 590 Strix E Board has 4 M.2 slots, while the Z690 Strix Board has 3 M.2 on the board and 2 additional on the Asus M.2 Card. These should get us through the next 7-10 years. So approx total so far about 3100 for both machines. I am still to stubborn to not build my own machine, been doing it for just over 40 years....

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    So Yesterday was D-day for my rig and the old faithfull asus z170 pro gaming will be used to furbish my very old 2nd rig for the worst case that never came.
    So Today I reach a new level of seventh heaven with the new beast I call it but a very silent one to admit!
    Mobo is MSI Z690 pro ddr4 WIFI with an i9 12900k 3200Mhz and for the moment the old corsair 32GB 1066Mhz until i getn a better feeling for what dram would make most sense to add 23600Mhz or 4000 Mhz 2 Dimms 2x16GB. Anything else is way to pricy.
    4 SSD connected and 2 more ready to mount and connect just in case.
    Trainz is running marvelous and working on the projects is just a charm for the moment.
    What a difference the i9 12900Mhz and the new mobo make so like me my dog druling when the big T bone arrived.
    The CoolerMaster C700P is 'pricy' but when i see how we the store and me yesterday fiddled and optimized the usage and good cable management than one understand a very good case with lots of room and good design is key to a superb rig, which I think I have right now.
    Good for the next 5-7 years for sure(i hope lol)so the investment is well woreth if one can afford.
    For sure trainz now for me is a much more fun way to work and since 14 years for the first time drive a lot to fiddle with stuff and see if it is looking good for release.
    Calgary is at the moment the hotspot for me to finish sort of with a first release maybe around July.
    You all have a great time.

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    Congratulations, Roy on getting your new build together. My new Dell arrives on January 31st.

    My old motherboard had another stroke and lost a network port. It's a good thing I have two.
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