Years with Same Calendar as 1906

[JackDownUnder]

My extensive route of North Yorkshire is set in the NER era of 1906.
To try and be as realistic as is possible I utilised the following link to ascertain what would be a corresponding year available in Environment settings.
There appears to be 21 years which share the same dates as 1906, so I selected the year 2001 as my corresponding year.

Repeating Calendar – years equal to 1906

Find calendar years that start on the same day and have the same number of days as 1906 or any other year

www.timeanddate.com

 

[derznovich]

Now the trick is to get the sunrise and sunset times in Trainz to correspond to reality. One of my main pet peeves with Trainz given how seemingly easy it would be to fix.

What is the point of having the dates correct if there is no change to length of the day in Trainz, for every day or the year in every location on the planet.

 

[JackDownUnder]

I believe that the features that you are discussing will be fixed by the date set in the environment settings.

 

[derznovich]

I believe that the features that you are discussing will be fixed by the date set in the environment settings.

I have Trainz22, Trainz Plus subscription. If I set the time to 6 pm and set the date to June 23, I see the Sun at the horizon due west.

If I change the environment setting to Dec 23 and leave the time at 6 pm, I see the Sun at the horizon due west.

The time of activation of night lighting is also unchanged.

I also modified the latitude from anywhere from 0 to positive 90. Sunset time and night lighting unchanged.

I would very much like to have a longer daytime in the summer, both because I think night lighting looks bad, but also because the summer sun sets in the northwest and would illuminate some buildings from a better angle.

If you have a solution for this that would enable the environment setting to affect the length of the day, or the position of the sun, I would be very happy.

 

[JCitron]

I have Trainz22, Trainz Plus subscription. If I set the time to 6 pm and set the date to June 23, I see the Sun at the horizon due west.

If I change the environment setting to Dec 23 and leave the time at 6 pm, I see the Sun at the horizon due west.

The time of activation of night lighting is also unchanged.

I also modified the latitude from anywhere from 0 to positive 90. Sunset time and night lighting unchanged.

I would very much like to have a longer daytime in the summer, both because I think night lighting looks bad, but also because the summer sun sets in the northwest and would illuminate some buildings from a better angle.

If you have a solution for this that would enable the environment setting to affect the length of the day, or the position of the sun, I would be very happy.

I think this was one of the "future of Trainz" items people voted on. The ability to link to real-time, seasons and weather, or something like that.

 

[derznovich]

I know

I think this was one of the "future of Trainz" items people voted on. The ability to link to real-time, seasons and weather, or something like that.

I know what you are referring to. But again, I think somehow my meaning is not getting through.

I do not want real time weather. I do not want a programming nightmare or performance impact of linking the environment of Trainz to anything in real time, such as through the internet. Indeed I voted in the roadmap and I ranked this feature as unneeded.

I just want the sun to set at a different time.

Why? Because I would like to operate my route in the daytime in the summer, for longer than the uniform year round 6 pm sunset will permit. You do not need to link the route to real time weather or indeed any external data source to enable that. The length of daylight can be calculated centuries in advance for every day of the year.

This is connected to the OP is that I don’t understand how it has any meaning to have a calendar if there is no connection to the length of the day or the angle of the sun. (The OP even mentioned his desire to “be as realistic as possible.”) I didn’t mention the seasons or weather at all, which as I understand is the only thing presently influenced by the calendar in environment settings.

But maybe I am wrong, perhaps all Trainz users strongly desire a uniform, year round 12 hour day,with lights turning on at 4 pm in the summer.

If this was some complex problem that required a month or year of dev work to implement, it wouldn’t be anything to mention. But I consider it basic and simple from a programming point of view, and also weird that a computer program in this late age would have a sun that sets at 6 pm every day of the year at every latitude in the world.

 

[Forester1]

Something else I have noticed when looking for good screenshots is that there is a sunny side to a consist and there is a shady side, and sometimes I have run around the clock trying to get them to switch without success. Is this just my imagination? It seems I have tried to line up screenshots with a certain background, but no matter what time of day I set the shadows are still on the same side and I just cannot get that to be the sunny side of the consist. I might understand it if I was shooting south, because the sun would always be that direction, but direction doesn't seem to matter.

 

[Therock]

Something else I have noticed when looking for good screenshots is that there is a sunny side to a consist and there is a shady side, and sometimes I have run around the clock trying to get them to switch without success. Is this just my imagination? It seems I have tried to line up screenshots with a certain background, but no matter what time of day I set the shadows are still on the same side and I just cannot get that to be the sunny side of the consist. I might understand it if I was shooting south, because the sun would always be that direction, but direction doesn't seem to matter.

unfortunately we've been dealing with a 'sun rises in the east sun sets in the west' situation since day one. add it to the list of "time and money" features to ask for from the last couple decades. calendar and world origin points have never mattered in the worlds best model railroad simulator.

 

[JCitron]

Something else I have noticed when looking for good screenshots is that there is a sunny side to a consist and there is a shady side, and sometimes I have run around the clock trying to get them to switch without success. Is this just my imagination? It seems I have tried to line up screenshots with a certain background, but no matter what time of day I set the shadows are still on the same side and I just cannot get that to be the sunny side of the consist. I might understand it if I was shooting south, because the sun would always be that direction, but direction doesn't seem to matter.

I think that has something to do with the ambient light. I've been playing around with that with very little luck.

 

[JackDownUnder]

Set your environment to "WW2 Invasion of Europe", "The Longest Day", which basically is any day in June where you will experience around 16 1/2 hours from sunrise to sunset.

 

[Paulsw2]

Set your environment to "WW2 Invasion of Europe", "The Longest Day", which basically is any day in June where you will experience around 16 1/2 hours from sunrise to sunset.

I don't really understand this point at all. Could you elaborate?

Paul

 

[pware]

Set your environment to "WW2 Invasion of Europe", "The Longest Day", which basically is any day in June where you will experience around 16 1/2 hours from sunrise to sunset.

Regardless of the season of the year, in the Trainz World sunrise is at 06:00 and sunset is at 18:00. The sun height above the horizon, at noon, is determined by the latitude setting and the date (i.e. season of the year).

Now the trick is to get the sunrise and sunset times in Trainz to correspond to reality. One of my main pet peeves with Trainz given how seemingly easy it would be to fix.

I can imagine many programmers grabbing their hats and running for the exit every time some one says "how easy it would be to fix". I am not saying that it would be impossible but I would be interested in hearing how you would do this?

It is all a matter of priorities and available resources (including time). There have been past suggestions in these forums that the moon and its 28 day cycle (both orbital position and phases) should be added to the sky, that the constellations should be accurately represented for both the date and latitude.

 

[Paulsw2]

The sun height above the horizon, at noon, is determined by the latitude setting and the date (i.e. season of the year).

The latitude setting? Ah, I'd never thought about this! I imagine that very few of us had considered setting this. So: (a) what is the default setting? (is it Australian?); (b) how do you change it? (so I can make sure it's the UK.) Is it something to do with the world origin?

 

[JackDownUnder]

It is all related to "World Origin" located on the route.
This provides the Latitude and Longitude of your route.
Regarding my previous entry, the longest day is in June.
The quotes were from WW2.
Go to environment settings and set a date in June.
Now you will have a maximum of daylight hours.

 

[pware]

what is the default setting?

Strangely, and inexplicably, the default setting for the latitude and longitude is in Berlin, Germany. Go figure!

The longitude has absolutely no effect on any Trainz settings - its only possible effect could be on the time zone and time of day. So theoretically, in a not yet released hypothetical future version of Trainz, a creator in the US who is building a session for a route set in Australia could have the time difference correctly taken into account. Why? I do not know, but a (future) possibility at least.

 

[Paulsw2]

Go to environment settings and set a date in June.
Now you will have a maximum of daylight hours.

Apologies, but I don't really understand this point. It doesn't matter what date you set in the environmental settings, the sun in Trainz always rises at about 5.30am and sets at about 6.30pm. In other words, every day is an equinox! Unless there's something I'm missing here.....