why isnt trainz 12 on steam?

Hi sparky, RSignal Everybody.
Apologies for not replying earlier in the day as promised, but I have been watching the Royal wedding and thoroughly enjoyed every moment of it. Britain at its best.

snip~Bill, There are more hackers sitting around trying to get my important documents online than there are arsonists waiting to burn down my house. As far as online risks, I hear about that little Sony flap going on right now?Dave...~Snip

I agree Dave, without doubt there are hackers out there trying to obtain access to important online documents. However, when everybody carried heavy files around with them they were very often left on trains or in cabs as was the case with a MI6 officer who left the codes for Britain's nuclear submarines in a London cab.

Likewise, when everybody carried large amounts of cash around banks were always getting robbed, but since the reduction in the amount of cash transactions being carried out it is very rare that you ever hear of a bank being robbed.

In the above examples online holding of documents and online financial transactions have replaced the need for both. Again it is a balance of risk. That said, the world has without doubt decided that the convenience of online business dealing and storing of documents is more convenient and a less risk adverse way of operating than the former ways of carrying out those actions.

Steam offers products via internet download.
Auran offers products via internet download.
Steam adds onerous, handicapping COPY PROTECTION in order to use said product! Auran does not.

Therefore, a company can offer internet downloads WITHOUT ONEROUS, PROBLEM-CAUSING COPY PROTECTION as Auran has demonstrated quite well.

Yes RSignal copy protection can be an inconvenience to say the least. However, worldwide the music recording industry has been brought to its knees due to pirated CDs and illegal file sharing.

It is no wonder then that many companies in other sections of the media industry now go to great lengths to protect their products through the use of steam and others. As you also stated RSignal, at present N3V/Auran offers three ways to obtain Trainz. However, the fact that they have started to use Steam as one way of distribution could well mean that method could become the sole means sometime in the future if they find that piracy has become a problem.

Members have already said on this thread in that case they would not use Trainz or even stop gaming altogether. That said, if N3V or any other company feel that the advantages of a new system outweigh the losses incurred in introducing system it will happen.

Bill
 
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However, the fact that they have started to use Steam as one way of distribution could well mean that method could become the sole means sometime in the future if they find that piracy has become a problem.
Or, what far is more likely, that Steam's market reach is well worth accepting whatever terms and conditions Steam requires. As another small publisher of a competing trainsim did.

Yes RSignal copy protection can be an inconvenience to say the least. However, worldwide the music recording industry has been brought to its knees due to pirated CDs and illegal file sharing.

The music industry has already moved away from copy-protection.

http://copyrightandtechnology.com/2009/01/07/hello-world/
http://www.silicon.com/technology/n...-shocker-apple-ceo-pens-open-letter-39165671/
http://techcrunch.com/2008/06/29/rhapsody-agrees-drm-is-dead-launches-mp3-store/
http://mp3-players.toptenreviews.com/flash-drive/the-big-four-music-labels-agree-to-abandon-drm.htm
 
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If they do that, hopefully they will avoid the patching issues (and hopefully, Steam will not modify their version like what happened with TS2009) - more on that in the Steam forums.

Shane
 
Bill,
I agree about online documents being convenient. If you have ever had your identity stolen, like I have, you would change your mind about it. Took five years to get it straight.

I look at DRM like a lock on your front door. It only keeps the honest people honest and inconveniences the law abiding. If a thief wants in, he'll get want he wants and you'll need a new window or door in the process.:)

DRM is like a puzzle to hackers. Most times I bet they have no use for a program they hack, they're in it for their fun. Aside from identity thieves who are in it for money. Most hacked versions of programs are out in days after they are released. I don't condone hacking, but, who gets inconvenienced. The paying customer. I put up with the DRM headaches while those who don't pay or care have what they want anyway. Catch 22 I guess.

If Trainz moved completely to Steam, I would quite buying it and stay with an older version that doesn't require it. Just like I keep RS around and not RW. I know companies need to protect themselves but the DRM only affects the honest and amuses the not so honest.

Like I said, I'm glad Trainz will be on Steam for those who like it but stay available on disc for those who don't.

Dave.......
 
No, I meant something very different. That's not at all why hackers crack software. Think...protest.
 
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I know what you meant, my version sounds more amusing.:p
I was going to edit my post as well before I got in trouble but you chumped me with the quote.:)

Dave........
 
Hi Sparky,RSignal And Everybody.
I think Think Sparky, RSignal and myself have all been duel posting tonight between this thread and the Royal wedding thread in the communities forum with inevitable confusion.

However, with this thread I think we can all make reference to things that were better under older systems and things which are better under new systems.

If you look back to the 90s the PC, Microsoft and Intel were all powerful, and it seemed that the Windows system would always lead the computer industry into the future.

Today that looks far more uncertain, the Apple iPad and the Samsung galaxy along with the android system has again revolutionized the way that people think of computing, file management and data organization.

One thing is however certain, that being commerce and industry will decide which is the best systems for their convenience, productivity and profitability. Everything will them be built around that prerogative. There will be those (as with all changes) that decide they wish to have nothing to do with it and to stay with what they know best.

There will be others who feel they have no alternative but to go along with it even though they do not feel comfortable. However as always, there will be those who embrace the new technology and systems (which always is the majority for any new system to survive) and go forward with it believing that is the future.

As it stands at the moment online file management and financial transactions (cloud computing) would seem to be the way that industry, commerce and the majority are going.

We can only hope that they are right as all our futures depend on it.

Bill
 
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I would have thought he meant no steam trains in ts12 but I am just an old idiot I guess You would have thought that after 70 years on this planet I would have grown very wise but not so. NV3 stated that most content in TS2010 was mostly compatable in TS12 you try importing a uk steam loco and see what happens They must have just ment scenery assets. Well at least they are doing a good job in ailenating old customers. I wish I had saved my $150. Then I am just another crouch.
 
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