Who wanted to be on the Pioneer Council, and why; but could not afford it.

[RRSignal]

The truth of the matter is that the few people who would be most beneficial to the Pioneer Council and have the most meaningful and appropriate influence and input into the creation of T:ANE are not people who would ever feel the need to "prove" themselves or attempt to convince some stranger via a "resume" that they deserve a spot on the council.

How do you arrive at that conclusion? Most people don't just sit around and get calls with job offers. Don't take this as negative; I realize that many if not most people these days have such an enormous sense of entitlement that they really believe this is how things work, or at least how it *should* work. But just keep in mind that there are a few people left who don't think this way.

That's really what this is, in a sense: A job offer. Requiring a resume makes sense.

 

[RRSignal]

May I suggest Andi06 he was in the Dev of TS2009 and was invaluable in what went into that over the development of TS2009, many a long argument between him and Chris battling for the betterment of all us Trainzer's.

I was hoping he made into the PC this time but he didn't, he works well in this environment and works well with Chris, and he not a yes man or negative. There is a goal of better junctions which is right up Andys alley and his input on this subject would be invaluable. If you want value for money he's the guy.

Top marks Wawasoo for what you are doing, top guy.

Cheers

Lots

I'll second everything said here!

 

[pcas1986]

I'll second everything said here!

I would strongly support Andi for the position if he wants it. Potential nominees should realise that PC members will be asked to review design documents so, not only did they pay for the privilege, but they have to work as well.

 

[Thomascbc]

How do you arrive at that conclusion? Most people don't just sit around and get calls with job offers. Don't take this as negative; I realize that many if not most people these days have such an enormous sense of entitlement that they really believe this is how things work, or at least how it *should* work. But just keep in mind that there are a few people left who don't think this way.

That's really what this is, in a sense: A job offer. Requiring a resume makes sense.

And who exactly is doing the "hiring"? Someone who managed to pay for one of the limited number PC spots? So the people who would either like the spot or who would be most beneficial and appropriate for it must now convince some stranger (to them most likely) that they're deserving of it? I honestly do not think that the ones who truly would make the most sense being on the PC are going to feel the need to prove themselves to someone who just happened to pay to be the "boss". Their contributions and expertise should already be clearly obvious to anyone who has been paying attention here for any length of time.

And let me add this... I do think that Wawasoo is doing the right thing by trading/giving up the PC spot if he truly believes that someone would be more suitable and beneficial to hold one of the PC spots. I just am in disagreement with how he's going about it.

 

[bentrain14]

Got trainz in 2006, Had 2004 deluxe edition to trainz 2012. also got the trainz app. I have a website for trainz, I have done reskins, made numerous tutorials, I post alot of youtube videos, and I have started a review series. I was also a former content creator on Trainz NS railz and did a few reskins. Im still working on texturing but the skins come out good. I hae been able to do some good fictional skins like the CSX YN2 ES44DC with the accurate paint scheme and and correct placements. (i dont take credit for the textures) I want to be more active in trainz and Im interested in the pioneer council.

 

[Zeldaboy14]

Yeah. It like he wants some random content creator to create him whatever he wants just for the Pioneer Council stop. That, is just not a very good way to basically give something someone. It like a bully makes you do something just to get your lunch back.

 

[wawasoo]

And who exactly is doing the "hiring"? Someone who managed to pay for one of the limited number PC spots? So the people who would either like the spot or who would be most beneficial and appropriate for it must now convince some stranger (to them most likely) that they're deserving of it? I honestly do not think that the ones who truly would make the most sense being on the PC are going to feel the need to prove themselves to someone who just happened to pay to be the "boss". Their contributions and expertise should already be clearly obvious to anyone who has been paying attention here for any length of time.

And let me add this... I do think that Wawasoo is doing the right thing by trading/giving up the PC spot if he truly believes that someone would be more suitable and beneficial to hold one of the PC spots. I just am in disagreement with how he's going about it.

During the month that this came up, Christmas, I was not already into Trainz for 500. But our stove gave out right as my daughter and mother-in-law were backing cookies about a week before Christamas. The whole deal right at Christmas was $1,200 US,

It was like dam, this sucks to be me. I had no bills like that coming in, then there they were those to the turn of $1200.00 US. Made me think; I don't know how to make Christmas Cookies; Paid $700, and I really don't know how to make Software; $500.

I can frost a Christmas Cookie, I can create content for software; but I don't know how to create either and I just spent $1200.00US.

So, the $500 in Trainz goes in the direction of Somebody that knows how to make something, so that I can do something; ie put some frosting on it like a cookie, or create content.

I'm looking for this guy;

"I honestly do not think that the ones who truly would make the most sense being on the PC are going to feel the need to prove themselves to someone who just happened to pay to be the "boss". Their contributions and expertise should already be clearly obvious to anyone who has been paying attention here for any length of time."

I'm looking for the guy, that thinks he deserves the chance to prove himself, or herself, that never got it handed to them. It's a ladder I can provide, I can afford to do it, so I am. (It's not all about me, it's extending my hand to you.)

It's all Karma, what comes around goes around. I'm just putting off good Karma now. WHAT YOU GOT, LET ME HEAR IT.

I received about 7 Resumes today in private, I'm looking for more.

 

[KingConrail76]

Please do NOT consider me for the position. I have no interest in being an N3V puppet, nor their security perimeter.
--Pioneer Council members will eventually get all the blame for things folks don't like, and will get no credit for things they do.

That said, you might want to require the "applicant" be a "Legal Adult" in their local jurisdiction (18 or 21) as part of the PC position requires a binding non-disclosure agreeement be signed (legal papers) and agreed to.

The last thing we need is "Trainz: a New Era of My Little Legend of Thomas the Zelda Pony" :hehe:

 

[RRSignal]

And who exactly is doing the "hiring"?

The OP is.

Someone who managed to pay for one of the limited number PC spots? So the people who would either like the spot or who would be most beneficial and appropriate for it must now convince some stranger (to them most likely) that they're deserving of it?

Yep. Wawasoo's the boss because he's got the title. He got the title because he paid the money. You might not like it, but that's the way the world works. Do you think one should be entitled to a Ferrari, but only have to pay a Kia price? If you feel you are entitled to the same privileges as someone else but not have to pay as much, take your case to N3V, since they're really the only ones who can do anything anyway. Similarly, if you feel your real-world boss should give you his job because you're smarter, better-looking, or whatever, well, let us know how that goes, though I personally recommend not doing this.

This issue has come up before, in the early part of the Kickstarter campaign. Those who pledged for a TPC level were accused of having "bought" their way onto the council, largely by folks who couldn't afford to do so but felt that they are entitled to the same privileges without having to contribute the same amount of funds. At least Wawasoo is willing to spend his hard-earned money to put somebody he feels is more qualified than himself on the council, to give someone else the privileges he paid for. He's not asking a lot for people to demonstrate what they can bring to the table. Come to think of it, since one of Wawasoo's key criteria is to find someone with "drive", it stands to reason that anyone who doesn't go to the trouble to submit a resume probably doesn't have the drive he feels a TPC member needs to fill his slot.

BTW, interesting to note how you and I both "bought" our way into TEG.

 

[wawasoo]

Yes, the first days of the Pioneer Council were a bitch, enough for me too get pissed off, and kicked out of here.

So, here you go, after I told everybody to go f themselves; it still stands this way.

"I'm looking for the guy, that thinks he deserves the chance to prove himself, or herself, that never got it handed to them. It's a ladder I can provide, I can afford to do it, so I am. (It's not all about me, it's extending my hand to you.)

It's all Karma, what comes around goes around. I'm just putting off good Karma now. WHAT YOU GOT, LET ME HEAR IT."

I'll give it all up for someone better then me for this.

 

[AntonyVW]

I doubt I would get chosen so I would recommend choosing someone who has a proven track. Someone like andi06 or shaneturner or paulhobbs or cmburgess. But that's just my opinion.

EDIT: assuming of course they were willing to accept.

 

[pcas1986]

Yes, the first days of the Pioneer Council were a bitch, enough for me too get pissed off, and kicked out of here.

...

I'm puzzled. The Pioneer Council forum only opened a couple of days ago and discussions have been very civilised and interesting. Are you upset by that or comments posted earlier in the Kickstarter Process?

That said, your offer to give up your position to someone else is commendable. I hope you find someone worthy of your investment.

 

[meatloaf747]

I doubt I would get chosen so I would recommend choosing someone who has a proven track. Someone like andi06 or shaneturner or paulhobbs or cmburgess. But that's just my opinion.
EDIT: assuming of course they were willing to accept.

IMHO also, any of these would be find!!! They are all probably over the age of 20-25, been around for longer than 5 minutes and aren't currently working on any "Thomas the Tank Engine" re-skins...

Cheers, Mac...

 

[amigacooke]

"Thomas the Tank Engine" re-skins...

If interest in steam locomotives is going to survive in numbers in future generations, Thomas resins may be an invaluable tool. Get 'em young.

 

[amigacooke]

Silly question, but has N3V confirmed that seats on the TPC are transferable?

 

[CaptEngland]

How about you, Amigacooke, If you don't mind me asking? Your a long standing member on here and are not afraid to speak out on matters.

The only thing that worries me about the P.C. is that what happens if we get a too one sided `Nationalistic` bias that we all end up with an trainz world that is only full of one countries scenery or stock. I'm not saying that this will happen, but you never know what the future may bring.

From what we know so far, my fears are at this moment not going to happen. I just hope it stays this way and not end up with software being `The Trainz world of Britain, Germany and U.S.A`, like a certain other software train set!

Regards.
CaptEngland.

 

[shaneturner12]

Only thing to bear in mind that whoever does take on the post will need to be prepared (as it also includes Alpha testing - under NDA according to the Kickstarter page) as well as requiring quite a bit of communication with N3V via Skype (monthly from what I've gathered).

Shane

 

[amigacooke]

How about you, Amigacooke, If you don't mind me asking?

'To the tune of who wants to be a millionaire'

'Who wants to be in the TPC, I don't,
Have flashy icons labelling me, I don't,
Who wants the bother of a content debate?
A content debate is something I'd hate.

Who wants to wallow in design? I don't,
Who wants to test and to refine? I don't,
Who wants to sell their soul to N3V? I don't,
And I don't cos I want some time for Elite: D!

Please take wilh a pinch of salt

Many thanks for asking but the people on the TPC really should be competent rather than just irritating.

 

[clam1952]

From those names I've seen that are on the Council, I would be quite happy that they represent a reasonable spread of experience enthusiasm and passion for Trainz, that would have included Wawasoo who doesn't hold back! However his choice if he wants to make a very generous gift to someone.

 

[whitepass]

I will put my name in for it, most here know me, been making content from Trainz 1.1 and Bate tester for UTC, TRS4, TS9, TS10, TS12 and was in the TRS4 CCG.