Who wanted to be on the Pioneer Council, and why; but could not afford it.

[mezzoprezzo]

I just hope N3V listen to the rest of us, the actual 99% who buy the game and use it.

Jamie

Source of this 99% figure please? It is a known fact that 67.234% of quoted statistics are made up on the spot!


On a more serious note a few comments.

Hopefully the term, ‘Content creators’, frquently referred to within this thread, doesn’t just mean asset makers.

IMHO the Council needs skilled route builders who have a deep working knowledge of all of the elements of Surveyor with the skills to push those to the limits, and beyond. The Council needs the skills possessed by those who are able to create realistic scenarios utilising the best creations of all the great content creators.

When something fails, they need to say so. Not with a blunt instrument, but with valid arguments, ideas and examples of what could be achieved.

They also need tact and reasoned written communication skills. Face to face verbal contact around the Board Room table is a powerful tool, but is not available to the Pioneer Councillors. Members therefore need to be all the sharper with the tools that remain, in particular sufficient assertiveness to get N3V to listen. Then, perhaps, some of the goodies present in earlier versions but now lost, so useful for building great results, balanced with effective running, might be restored. Three examples:

Alternative wireframe mode showing the full triangular grid polygons so we can see how they flip and alter the ground to maximise fine terrain sculpting and texturing appearance. Bring it back please.

Billboard trees which aren’t visually ruined by “improvements”. Code monkey who can make this happen required please.

Long and effective draw distances which work in Surveyor, and perform equally in Driver. Nuff said!

 

[captainkman]

Hmm....I was sure the figure was more like 43.762% of quoted statistics. :hehe:

Kieran.

 

[amigacooke]

Billboard trees which aren’t visually ruined by “improvements”. Code monkey who can make this happen required please.

Isn't this a function of improved lighting? If you have realistic lighting then flat trees are going to look flat.

 

[martinvk]

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IMHO the Council needs skilled route builders who have a deep working knowledge of all of the elements of Surveyor with the skills to push those to the limits, and beyond. The Council needs the skills possessed by those who are able to create realistic scenarios utilising the best creations of all the great content creators.

When did the Council get promoted to route builders? Knowing what is required and having the skill to actually implement it are two very different things.

When something fails, they need to say so. Not with a blunt instrument, but with valid arguments, ideas and examples of what could be achieved.

They also need tact and reasoned written communication skills. Face to face verbal contact around the Board Room table is a powerful tool, but is not available to the Pioneer Councillors. Members therefore need to be all the sharper with the tools that remain, in particular sufficient assertiveness to get N3V to listen.

Very true but I don't think the assertiveness will be necessary as I think N3V will also be an active participant on the Council so they will know exactly what is being discussed, no need to "get" their attention.

 

[mezzoprezzo]

When did the Council get promoted to route builders? ~snip~

They haven't been. All I'm putting forward is that asset creators, respected and highly valuable that they are, may not always have the knowledge, skill and expertise of many of the route builders.

~snip~ Very true but I don't think the assertiveness will be necessary as I think N3V will also be an active participant on the Council so they will know exactly what is being discussed, no need to "get" their attention.

Possession of effective assertiveness skills requires more than just getting peoples attention.

 

[clam1952]

As I see it, what's needed and I think from those names we know so far have already got, is a mix of people with experience in all aspects of Trainz, enthusiasm to see the project through and hopefully some with Technical PC experience, who are not afraid to make their and hopefully our views known. We don't need Yes men or exaggerating ranters who blow a fuse when it's not going their way.

 

[amigacooke]

As I see it, what's needed and I think from those names we know so far have already got, is a mix of people with experience in all aspects of Trainz, enthusiasm to see the project through and hopefully some with Technical PC experience, who are not afraid to make their and hopefully our views known. We don't need Yes men or exaggerating ranters who blow a fuse when it's not going their way.

While this may be true, can I point out that this is only for one 'seat' at the council. The rest of the council is self selected.

 

[mezzoprezzo]

Isn't this a function of improved lighting? If you have realistic lighting then flat trees are going to look flat.

I wouldn’t know the technicalities.

All I’m interested in is how stuff looks in Trainz so that I can try to create a believable environment. SpeedTrees don’t cut it.

I’d like to see conventional billboard trees appearing in game in future, as they did when first designed, perhaps side by side with the new ones, at least until something better comes along. Just being advised that it’s technically not possible doesn’t necessarily mean that it can’t be done. Maybe it’s just not cost effective to even try.

I’d have no grumble if there were some great alternatives, but other than Pofig’s fine work (which to me still has a too sparkly appearance), I’ve seen nothing out there.

Furthermore, unless there is a cost effective way of producing animated 3D trees by creators we stand to have very slow progress in the development and production of believable vegetation. IMHO it’s only the combined weight of many creators that will see an increase in creative results. If only the “many” could afford the software.

 

[LWVRR]

All I’m interested in is how stuff looks in Trainz so that I can try to create a believable environment. SpeedTrees don’t cut it.

I’d like to see conventional billboard trees appearing in game in future, as they did when first designed, perhaps side by side with the new ones, at least until something better comes along. Just being advised that it’s technically not possible doesn’t necessarily mean that it can’t be done. Maybe it’s just not cost effective to even try.

I’d have no grumble if there were some great alternatives, but other than Pofig’s fine work (which to me still has a too sparkly appearance), I’ve seen nothing out there.

Furthermore, unless there is a cost effective way of producing animated 3D trees by creators we stand to have very slow progress in the development and production of believable vegetation. IMHO it’s only the combined weight of many creators that will see an increase in creative results. If only the “many” could afford the software.

I've been barking up this tree for a long time. I hate to tell you this but their minds are already made up on this subject. Nothing will change. They pretend to listen to you when they want your money...now that they got our money they have gone silent.

On another note, this pioneer group is strictly "pay to play", If they have disposable income, they can been on the team. It doesn't matter what their background is.

 

[BN1970]

PER LWVRR:
"On another note, this pioneer group is strictly "pay to play", If they have disposable income, they can been on the team. It doesn't matter what their background is."

One the one side of the coin, you are right. However, at least in my perspective, I wanted to join something where maybe my background and input might help us to realize a much better gaming experience with T:ANE. I did what I did to hopefully jumpstart this game into one of the best trainsims around. And, if it all proves out, my contribution will be shared with all of my fellow Trainzers out there, including YOU. I did not do it to get my name up in lights, and I take offense to what you are inferring to. Those of us who dug up our hard earned cash did it to help improve the game; no more, no less. We consider it an investment, just like buying stock in a company; only the reward we get is an improved game instead of dividends.

 

[Lots_Trains]

I’d like to see conventional billboard trees appearing in game in future, as they did when first designed, perhaps side by side with the new ones,

Chris has already stated in one of these threads somewhere, that the new shaders and lighting system will make anything that is a billboard look more like a flat surface that ever, so basically they are gonna get worse. So I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

Profig trees are the best around, you will have to make the best of them. I did read some where there is a way to remove that sparkly look on his trees, I haven't tried it yet but its on my list of things to do, I have the post saved here somewhere.

Cheers

Lots

 

[Scitimar]

I wouldn’t know the technicalities.

All I’m interested in is how stuff looks in Trainz so that I can try to create a believable environment. SpeedTrees don’t cut it.

I’d like to see conventional billboard trees appearing in game in future, as they did when first designed, perhaps side by side with the new ones, at least until something better comes along. Just being advised that it’s technically not possible doesn’t necessarily mean that it can’t be done. Maybe it’s just not cost effective to even try.

I’d have no grumble if there were some great alternatives, but other than Pofig’s fine work (which to me still has a too sparkly appearance), I’ve seen nothing out there.

Furthermore, unless there is a cost effective way of producing animated 3D trees by creators we stand to have very slow progress in the development and production of believable vegetation. IMHO it’s only the combined weight of many creators that will see an increase in creative results. If only the “many” could afford the software.

LoL, that's some funny stuff.

 

[LWVRR]

I did not do it to get my name up in lights, and I take offense to what you are inferring to.

It not merely good enough just to have a Kickstart Supporter badge that says "Trainz Pioneer Council" on it, you also have a need to show it under your username. I wonder why?

It's like a freakin' good ole boys club around here already. This group is only going to make it worse. No wonder people get disgusted and leave.

See what's under my username? It's the name the good ole boys club here called me and got away with it. It shall stay there as a reminder.

 

[Enzo1]

It not merely good enough just to have a Kickstart Supporter badge that says "Trainz Pioneer Council" on it, you also have a need to show it under your username. I wonder why?

It's like a freakin' good ole boys club around here already. This group is only going to make it worse. No wonder people get disgusted and leave.

See what's under my username? It's the name the good ole boys club here called me and got away with it. It shall stay there as a reminder.

Hey don't worry, you have done some mighty fine stuff for Trainz! Its been greatly appreciated as well. I do not consider you to be a clown of any kind. I wouldn't worry to much about the good ole boys club. We will see what happens to them in the future. I'll be interested in seeing it myself.

 

[H222]

Yawnyawnyawn.

 

[wawasoo]

Well, let me put it this way, I not only told the guy who was jumping my s to get f, I also that that to NV3. I don't care, but the fact is I paid for it, if they NV3 want to keep it cool, I'll walk away, and no hard feelings. But, they told me to pick somebody, they'd go with it, and I'd pay them extra for a Tin copy in the Box. Makes NO difference to me, this here is about that special somebody YOU. That couldn't afford it, but want's it. Tell me why, I'll give it to you and NV3 is on board with that.

 

[wawasoo]

Heard you name, tell me why?

 

[Enzo1]

Well, let me put it this way, I not only told the guy who was jumping my s to get f, I also that that to NV3. I don't care, but the fact is I paid for it, if they NV3 want to keep it cool, I'll walk away, and no hard feelings. But, they told me to pick somebody, they'd go with it, and I'd pay them extra for a Tin copy in the Box. Makes NO difference to me, this here is about that special somebody YOU. That couldn't afford it, but want's it. Tell me why, I'll give it to you and NV3 is on board with that.

I have posted my reason, I'm not sure if it was enough but hey, I gave it meh best shot! I believe this link should lead you there, http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...but-could-not-afford-it&p=1250361#post1250361

 

[gawpo50]

Isn't this a function of improved lighting? If you have realistic lighting then flat trees are going to look flat.

Yep...obviously

 

[gawpo50]

I've been barking up this tree for a long time. I hate to tell you this but their minds are already made up on this subject. Nothing will change. They pretend to listen to you when they want your money...now that they got our money they have gone silent.

On another note, this pioneer group is strictly "pay to play", If they have disposable income, they can been on the team. It doesn't matter what their background is.

You basically couldn't be more wrong. The whole job of the pioneer council is to get what we really want in the game so far as is possible with current funding.