Where Would They be Now?

Very Good!

Thanks for the comment, Sean. Your discription is very good! I would have loved it if this happened, I always saw Pennsylvania merging with the Milwaukee Road therefore forming the "Pennsylvania Road". Once again, I'm glad you liked my thread!
Cheers, Woody.
 
IC ok GM & O Dead

I.C. would be OK, possibly extended with the WC as CN did with them and GTW to get their corridors into Canada after the IC "merger". I personally think Hunter Harrison sold out the IC to CN just to get his big bonus and get to be president then CEO. ( should be C EGO )
GM & O south of the Ohio river had been dead for a long time they just didn't know it. There was / is no traffic in the piney woods of west Tennessee and east Mississippi.
But, then we wouldn't have the American version of the Hard Rock Cafe founded by Isaac Tigrett, grandson of GM&O bookkeeper & president I.B.Tigrett. ( with grandaddy's trust fund money) He still rides around in the restored GM&O business car last I heard. It was frequently parked on the I.C. Beale Street siding in Memphis, pulled there by AMTRAK, parked in front of his father's condo.:cool:
 
...they all would have went broke...

:cool: Where'd you get the widecab rule...?

The advent of the Big Four is the "Future" of the US-Railroads...

Development Technology thwarted production northward...
 
The GM&O would have been doing a hell of alot beter, ICG was probably one of the worst mergers ever, IC just wanted the GM&O for access to the port of Mobile, the rest of the GM&O went to hell, mainline and branchline, their main is now chopped into tiny little pieces, sold to shortlines, KCS and whoever else wants it, the rest abandoned, much of it illegally without ICC permission, often ICG tore out the rails before shortlines could even step in to buy them. IC itself may have been better off too, ICG killed really two really good railroads, though IC atleast came out with most of its mainlines intact.
I personally would have loved to see GM&O in the modern day, one of the classiest paint schemes there ever was!
Seaboard System probably would have been doing alright as well, probably no better or worse than CSX i figure though that they would have bought RF&P anyways for better access into the DC area.
Seaboard Air Line if they were left independant wouldve been in better shape too, like the GM&O, much of their mainline milage was lost with the merger, including the coastal S line in florida and virgina, and the Atlanta to Birmingham route, despite what others have said, the Seaboard group in one form or another wouldve dropped passenger trains, SCL was quite eager to drop even the florida trains when Amtrak rolled around, they tried even harder to kill the Silver Comet, which they successfully did despite strong opposition from online communities.
 
Yeah, I can't even figure out where the GM&O part of the IC is. But, Illinois Central was a great railroad, I recently saw one of their E-8's painted in CN colors, I was truly disgusted.
 
Yeah, I can't even figure out where the GM&O part of the IC is. But, Illinois Central was a great railroad, I recently saw one of their E-8's painted in CN colors, I was truly disgusted.


But CN is so pretty. Yes, the old IC scheme was more beautiful, (I don't like the newer IC scheme), but look on the bright side, it didn't get absorbed into UP.
 
Not as bad as UP, true.

Yes, at least its not in Union Pacific, but Canadian National is not any better.
I actually liked IC's newer scheme! I think it would have looked better if they were painted like their business train units, but I think you know why the were plain black, don't you? Its because they were getting like Clinchfield and couldn't afford fancy paint, but disguissed it with all those fancy numbers and letters! Still the IC is... or was, the best, at least to me it was. Oh, well at least ol' #8733 will always wear the IC colors!
 
Yeah, paint is pretty expensive. I actually liked the black alot more than the red. I don't know, call me a classicist, but I just like the much older brown and orange scheme, though it probably has alot to do with the fact that it looks great on the first generation diesels. I don't know alot about the IC to tell you the truth. I am more of a BAR, Reading Company, and ATSF guy myself.
 
Thankfully the IC E9's are still in IC business paint,
http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=264772&nseq=0
CN has another set of ex- BN's in CN paint
http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=224919&nseq=5
Both are rather attractive units, im not a fan of CN but they should get credit for keeping these classics in service.
As for paint schemes, none of IC's or ICG's (except possibly chocolate and brown) can hold a candle to GM&O's freight colors, truly one of the best paint scheme ever to grace US rails.
 
Wow, that little bit of gold turns a pretty good paint scheme, into a beautiful one. Though BAR had one of the best in my opinion. (Of course there are alot that are pretty much tied with it, including the Southern.)
 
The Reading probably would have continued to haul anthracite, but would have begun to haul other cargo too. Also, because PRR and NYC never merged, Reading would have probably not had to join Conrail, because it wouldn't have screwed up their routes as much.
Being a native of Philly and knowing the Reading very well, they probably would have regained control of the New Jersey Central and the Lehigh Valley, if the Staggers Act still had gone through and the ICC couldn't get in the way of things.
 
We lost the following back in 1922...

Caledonian.
North British
Glasgow South Western
Highland
Great North of Scotland.

The government of the day decided there were too many railway companies in Gt Britain so forced the merger of all English, Welsh, Scottish companies into the "big Four. Namely the GWR, LNER, LMS, SR. The only place unaffected was Ulster. In effect the Scottish companies all vanished into the giant passenger conglomerates which was a pity.
 
We lost the following back in 1922...

Caledonian.
North British
Glasgow South Western
Highland
Great North of Scotland.

The government of the day decided there were too many railway companies in Gt Britain so forced the merger of all English, Welsh, Scottish companies into the "big Four. Namely the GWR, LNER, LMS, SR. The only place unaffected was Ulster. In effect the Scottish companies all vanished into the giant passenger conglomerates which was a pity.

There is just a chance that we may see a small company once again operating on the mainline here in the UK. West Somerset Railway operate the longest heritage line (25 miles) in the country between Norton Fitzwarren and Minehead. A few years ago it was once again linked into the main Bristol to Penzance line (the old GWR) with two intentions.

The first was to enable heritage stock from other sites to be driven down to the West Somerset Railway on the rail rather than having to be transported by road. The second intention was to open a commuter service from Minehead through to Taunton operated on a timetabled basis which would relieve traffic congestion on the local A39 road.

The problem the plans for the commuter service ran into where the much higher safety standards that would be required to run consists above the 25 mph that the line is restricted to as heritage status. This the company could not afford to bring forward

However, all the above happened 2 to 3 years ago and much has now changed. One of the major supermarkets is opening a huge distribution centre near Bridgwater employing several hundred people. The centre is Close to the main Taunton to Bristol railway line and the local press in Somerset has stepped up its campaign to have the commuter service introduced as people traveling to and from the new centre will further increase pressure on local roads.

Nobody at present is definitely saying the above will happen. That said, with the help of some grants to the West Somerset Railway etc it would seem the best chance yet that we may see a new railway company running on the mainline bearing the name of West Somerset.

If opened they are thinking that the new service could supplement the existing Taunton to Bristol service by running right through from minehead to Bristol Temple Mead's which would ease the overcrowding on the line.

We can only hope, so watch this space
Bill
 
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And for our British Friends,
1. LNER 2.Southern 3.GWR 4.[well, thats all I know!:hehe: ]
1. London & North Eastern Railway (LNER)
2. Great Western Railway (GWR)
3. Southern Railway (SR)
4. London Midlands & Scottish Railway (LMS/LMSR)
5. London, Brighton & South Coast Railway (LB&SCR)
6. Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway (S&DJR)
7. Midland Railway (MR)
8. Caledonian Railway (CR)
9. Great Northern Railway (GNR)
10. Great Eastern Railway (GER)
11. Liverpool & Manchester (L&M)
12. Stockton & Darlington (S&D)

Excuse me if I've left any out! :hehe:

I think the GWR would dominate, and would be the first to dieselize, with many railcars.

The LNER would probably stil be hauling fast trains up to Edinburgh and back, and maybe the LMS too.

The SR would have come up with a green paint that didn't fade as a result of the sea water. (True, their green coaches faded a bluey colour!)
 
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MKT: she would have been just fine. If traffic would have been better (and this is the catylist for the line's proposed survival) the St. Louis extension would have been upgraded (even in the early 80's it still had 90lb rail rolled in the 1920's, during the genreal upgrading under Scott and when the line was ruled by 2-8-2s) new Rail, new creosote ties, strenghtening the Lift Bridge at Booneville. This would have prevented the line from using the UP (ex MP) line between Sedalia and St. Louis, and i still believe that that (and the use of the UP line to Omaha from KC) was the reason Union Pacific bought them. It was an eyesore to have them running on their tracks, so, bye-bye old Miss Katy (bear in mind, that's just my personal bias against UP, take it for what you will).

D&RGW: would have vanished into the SP, or at least become like the SP&S, seperate but controlled. Might have ordered SD70ACe tunnel motors or GE TMs, to continue the trend.

SP: would be going along just fine. Might have started a steam program like UP. Based on their previous preferences, would most likely be a stable for GE power.
 
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